CGI ST:TOS Klingons already!!

[Werewolf]

and beats up worf in hand to hand combat.

I thought that part was freaken awesome. A classic Trek fans revenge dream on NG for Kirk's pointless death in Generations. I found the whole thing brilliantly darkly humorous. Loved it. Only way it could have been better if he also got to beat the snot out Picard and Riker and romance Troi and Crusher

Today it seems passe and almost embarrassing to watch --- almost like watching hippies on Way To Eden.

I feel that way about NG in general. I dug it at the time but now I can't even watch it. It is so painfully 80s PC. Just cringe worthy bad now. I still love classic Trek even with it's flaws and unintended silliness but NG was become totally unwatchable to me.

[Mikey]

Star Trek societies are not thought out very good and paint themselves into corners.

There must be janitor's on Vulcan, but I can't picture a Vulcan janitor --- etc.

[TrueDave]

The Movie/Next Generation Klingons didnt seem as bright.
I often wondered if they even had Engineers.

[Mikey]

One of the reasons I didn't/don't much care for the new Klingon's were their attitudes.

They were redesigned when being a futuristic "warrior" was the "in" thing in Sci Fi movies.

Next Gen grabbed this and multiplied it 100 fold.

Today it seems passe and almost embarrassing to watch --- almost like watching hippies on Way To Eden.

[Gorn Captain]

I think Klingons originally had no bumps.
But then they started buying their space crafts from Harry Mudd's Used Craft Emporium, and got stuck with corridors that had ceilings that were about three inches too low.
Low ceilings+tall Klingons= bumpy heads.
It's a no brainer....

[TrueDave]

In the Shatner book where he brings Kirk back from the dead The Borg try to assimilate Spock but don't because of his mindmeld with Vger.
That book is so bad. Kirk is reanimated by a Romulan Borg alliance and go and beats up worf in hand to hand combat. Then he looks up Scotty, Admirl McCoy and Ambassador Spock.

That actually sounds like a better explanation than the one that's currently officially canon!

I guess ST canon has long been in a mess, with so many different series and movies to incorporate over the years.

For instance, I always thought it was a cool idea that the machine planet that found V'ger and augmented it should actually be the Borg homeworld, but then that idea was officially nixed by the Trek powers that be, years ago if I recall.
But then that very idea was later incorporated as part of the game Star Trek Legacy in 2006.

[ctc]

>the non ridge Klingons are a different race and theyre being killed off by racist ridge heads

That was in the RPG too, so I'm betting it was.... at one time anyhoo.... official.

>I always thought it was a cool idea that the machine planet that found V'ger and augmented it should actually be the Borg homeworld

I dunno. When they start combining things like that up, it makes the universe smaller; and it seems that eventually you get everything interesting happening to a small number of people.

Don C.

[Bruce Banner]

The best explination I read about the Klingons was in a comic. It was set before the Movie I think. or maybe after Voyage Home.

Anyway one of the old Klingons comes to Kirk to ask for help, the non ridge Klingons are a different race and theyre being killed off by racist ridge heads.

That actually sounds like a better explanation than the one that's currently officially canon!

I guess ST canon has long been in a mess, with so many different series and movies to incorporate over the years.

For instance, I always thought it was a cool idea that the machine planet that found V'ger and augmented it should actually be the Borg homeworld, but then that idea was officially nixed by the Trek powers that be, years ago if I recall.
But then that very idea was later incorporated as part of the game Star Trek Legacy in 2006.

[TrueDave]

The best explination I read about the Klingons was in a comic. It was set before the Movie I think. or maybe after Voyage Home.

Anyway one of the old Klingons comes to Kirk to ask for help, the non ridge Klingons are a different race and theyre being killed off by racist ridge heads.

Deep Space Nine and "Blood Oath" blew that one away.

I read a lot of the DC Star Trek after Wrath of Kahn. I like the Male Pattern Baldness of the Motion Picture better than the turtle heads in Search for Spock.

I read in a Shatner book Roddenberry was insisting they do a time travel back to save JFK right up to his death.

I just remeber reading that roddenberry wanted more elaborate make up on the Klingons but shoe polish was all they could budget. Just like the Romulans were dropped for make up costs.

I used to have the FASA miniatures. I was always curious about the Gorn. Untill one showed up as a cartoon with a tail on "Enterprise."

We'll always have the original episodes as they are. Why not . It was only three episodes right? Four with the "Space Abe Lincoln"show. ( Klingon guest stars?)

[El Diablo Blanco]

I actually like the TOS Klingons a lot better. Even the one femmy commander on The Trouble With Tribbles, you know, when they brought back Trelane as a Klingon. Dude speaks with the same cadence, has the same mannerisms, it's downright scary. I know it's the same actor but it's like even the writers were putting Trelane in a Klingon uniform.

What was I talking about? Oh. I've been watching Enterprise lately and it's actually a very good show in my opinion. The Klingons got wussed down something horrible, I agree. You go back and you CGI the TOS Klingons and I'm gonna need to stab somebody. The whole reason the new versions work is they did it so subtly on some episodes you have to watch the two versions side by side to tell the difference.

[david_b]

The wackiest thing he did that I ever read about, was writing lyrics to Alexander Courages theme song, so he could claim half the royalties on the music....Bizarre guy.


As for the Klingons..leave em' be. I prefer the look Colicos and Klemper came up with. The lumpy heads are ok, but their new look did also really change the way they were portrayed.

Actually, if anything, I prefer to think the Klingon Empire is (should be) made up of several different species as the Federation was. That would leave room for the Swarthys, the light skins (like tige Andrews Klingon make up, the bumpy heads, and even Megos Klingon attired "gorn".

Agreed on leaving the 'classic' as 'classic'.. And on 'best friend, worst enemy' consideration.

Luckily, the best points on Roddenberry and Berman was sharing their Vision with some of the most creative, and talented writers and production folk in the business.. {.. to keep things from screwing up too much...}

Praise STILL goes to both for keeping the Vision alive and thriving, despite Paramount's obvious 'merchandizing the sh** out of the franchise' a bit too much in the '90s.

[david_b]

I want to see a commercial featuring Worf, without any bumps or ridges, saying "I had the worst case of Klingon Acne in the Universe, until I discovered "Bump Zap 2000". It cleared it all right up in less than two weeks, and now I look like John Colicos! Try it now, and get a free Bat'Leth with your first purchase!"

Beautiful.....
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[Gorn Captain]

I want to see a commercial featuring Worf, without any bumps or ridges, saying "I had the worst case of Klingon Acne in the Universe, until I discovered "Bump Zap 2000". It cleared it all right up in less than two weeks, and now I look like John Colicos! Try it now, and get a free Bat'Leth with your first purchase!"

[Bruce Banner]

I always preferred the more militaristic version of Starfleet, too.
Just love the old technical manuals with all the ship schematics, seeing how they compare armament wise to the vessels of the Klingons, Romulans, etc.

Used to play that old hex-based ST starhip combat game a LOT.

[Captain]

Rodenberry screwed over a lot of people in his lifetime. Writers who knew how to write better stories: Fontana, Peeples, Joseph Stefano, Diane Duane, Gerrold & Ellison. During ST-TNG it was revealed that Roddenberry's lawyer, Leonard Maizlish, was rewriting the season's scripts, which is illegal according to Writer's Guild policies. No credit goes to Gene Coon for taking the concept and breathing more life into it. His reward for good work was being passed over as producer for Trek's 3rd season. That honor went to Freddy Frieberger who was the "kiss of death" to most tv series he worked on. Good ole` Freddy compared ST fans to NAZI's. All the actors complained about Shatner getting outta` control were ignored. He took Lincoln Enterprises away from Bjo Trimble who helped get ST a 3rd season with her historic letter-writing campaign and gave it to his squeeze, Majel Barret Rodenberry. The re-writes to TMP were re-written again by him so he would have the final word. He clashed with Nicholas Meyer when he wanted to bring Saavik back in Star Trek 6. He told his lackey/ servant Richard Arnold the Animated Series was not cannon and to be discarded. Arnold still keeps the flame burning on that one. As franchises go the "Great Bird" has messed up his own franchise far worse. Berman was only an extension of Rodenberry with blinders on.

The wackiest thing he did that I ever read about, was writing lyrics to Alexander Courages theme song, so he could claim half the royalties on the music....Bizarre guy.


As for the Klingons..leave em' be. I prefer the look Colicos and Klemper came up with. The lumpy heads are ok, but their new look did also really change the way they were portrayed.

Actually, if anything, I prefer to think the Klingon Empire is (should be) made up of several different species as the Federation was. That would leave room for the Swarthys, the light skins (like tige Andrews Klingon make up, the bumpy heads, and even Megos Klingon attired "gorn".