CGI ST:TOS Klingons already!!

[Nostalgiabuff]

there is no doubt that Klingons are cool....but they used them so much in TNG and DS9 that they became kind of boring, although DS9 did spice things up by making them bad guys again for a while....I actually find it refreshing to see TOS Klingons ....back when Klingons were still badass

[johnmiic]

Rodenberry screwed over a lot of people in his lifetime. Writers who knew how to write better stories: Fontana, Peeples, Joseph Stefano, Diane Duane, Gerrold & Ellison. During ST-TNG it was revealed that Roddenberry's lawyer, Leonard Maizlish, was rewriting the season's scripts, which is illegal according to Writer's Guild policies. No credit goes to Gene Coon for taking the concept and breathing more life into it. His reward for good work was being passed over as producer for Trek's 3rd season. That honor went to Freddy Frieberger who was the "kiss of death" to most tv series he worked on. Good ole` Freddy compared ST fans to NAZI's. All the actors complained about Shatner getting outta` control were ignored. He took Lincoln Enterprises away from Bjo Trimble who helped get ST a 3rd season with her historic letter-writing campaign and gave it to his squeeze, Majel Barret Rodenberry. The re-writes to TMP were re-written again by him so he would have the final word. He clashed with Nicholas Meyer when he wanted to bring Saavik back in Star Trek 6. He told his lackey/ servant Richard Arnold the Animated Series was not cannon and to be discarded. Arnold still keeps the flame burning on that one. As franchises go the "Great Bird" has messed up his own franchise far worse. Berman was only an extension of Rodenberry with blinders on.

[Mikey]

Roddenberry was Star Trek's best friend and worst enemy

Oh wait, Berman's got him beat as worst enemy

[Werewolf]

The way I understand it John Colicos basically invented the Klingon's look.

Lore has it Roddenberry let him help design what a Klingon should look like - and it remained the same until The Motion Picture.

That's my understanding too. Roddenberry is a lot like Lucas in the way he liked to build up these myths about himself that he came up with everything. Not to deminish them and they are amazingly creative but also two of the biggest BSers since P.T. Barnum.

Classic Trek was great because of a lot of things. Not just Roddenberry. Writers, set designers, casting, timing, etc. Star Trek 2 turned out so awesome because of Roddenberry's reduced role. Harve Bennett returned Trek back to character driven action adventure with a strong villian. Otherwise we'd have gotten another Trek movie of 2 and half hours of looking at a space cloud.

[ctc]

>I think that's right

Pretty much. Earth sublight ships made contact with the Centauri, and Cochrane was a Centauri scientist who perfected warp. One of their earliest ships met the Vulcans. The Vulcans already knew of the Andorians at that time. The Caitians and Edoans were discovered during the Enterprise's first 5 year tour under Kirk. (Hence their inclusion in the cartoon but not original show.)

Don C.

[Mikey]

How the UFP really began ......

Earth's outpost on Alpha Centuri got an unknown distress call from space.

They rescued the unknown ship ..

The ship was Vulcan and was Earth's first meeting with Aliens

Both Earth and Vulcan teamed up and started exploring.

The first planets that were discovered were Tellar and Andor.

These 5 planets teamed up to make the United Federation of Planets.

I think that's right

[ctc]

>That was the rational they used in the role playing game.

Yup!

>None of it was considered Cannon.

It WAS.... until the Next Gen. FASA had a helluva time with Paramount and Roddenberry. EVERYTHING in the game was scrutinized, which is why I refrence it so much. But when the Next Gen came out Roddenberry was looking to take Trek away from the military aspect and more into the exploratory; so a lot of older stuff got quashed. Like the Gorn: their supplement for the RPG was in the works and the plug got yanked.... and thus far I've never been able to track down any notes from it!

Gorn rule! WOOOOOOO!!!!!

Don C.

[Doc]

Enterprise ruined any notion of ANYTHING being cannon anymore.

For me the true history will always be the FASA history.

Another fan? Lets have a moment of silence in honor of all those brave souls who gave their lives in Operation Dixie and Operation Grey Ghost. The intel they gathered on the Klingons and Romulans was invaluable in saving the Federation............................

[Mikey]

Enterprise ruined any notion of ANYTHING being cannon anymore.

For me the true history will always be the FASA history.

[Doc]

Don, that's the first I've heard that rationale, but it's the BEST IDEA so far..

That was the rational they used in the role playing game. With the little model ships Fasa I believe. They had a whole 4 year war military history. More military theme to Star Fleet too. What they figured the logical progression to the series would have been. The Movie and STNG threw that all out the window. None of it was considered Cannon.

[Gorn Captain]

Old school Klingons seemed a bit more...educated.
The new Klingons are more about meat and mayhem....

[Mikey]

The old Klingon's were better because they were basically the Hell's Angels of the galaxy.

Once they were give weird heads, it ruined their original personalities

[Gorn Captain]

Leave the old school Klingons alone.
I mean it.
Don't make me sharpen my Bat'leth.....

Enterprise explained it all perfectly well (with the virus), so no need to start painting ridges on John Colicos....

[david_b]

>Wasn't too sure about Enterprise trying to explain it all via the augment virus storyline

Dunno that one. (I didn't watch Enterprise so much.) The original story was that they were engineered Klingon/Human hybrids: the Klingons did it so's they could fight better in human-normal environments. (There were supposedly Klingon/Romulan ones too.)

Don C.

Don, that's the first I've heard that rationale, but it's the BEST IDEA so far..

[ctc]

>Wasn't too sure about Enterprise trying to explain it all via the augment virus storyline

Dunno that one. (I didn't watch Enterprise so much.) The original story was that they were engineered Klingon/Human hybrids: the Klingons did it so's they could fight better in human-normal environments. (There were supposedly Klingon/Romulan ones too.)

Don C.