Possible connection between Trek movie and series?

[johnmiic]

I was watching the new Trek film the other night and just remembered something which connects the new Trek movie universe to the Series Trek franchise in a way had not previously occurred to me. I don't know if anyone else noticed this and I apologize if this someone else has posted this already.

In the future, in the J.J. Trek film, a Supernova destroys Romulus, ending the Romulan Empire. Many of the events creating an alternate Trek universe unfold from that event, ( Nero & Future Spock travelling back in time-altering the timeline). Well if you recall in the series finale` for ST-TNG, "All Good Things..." Picard enlists the aide of his old crew to investigate an anomoly in the Neutral Zone. When Picard tells Geordi they must travel to the Neutral Zone, Geordi reminds him there is no Neutral Zone any more. The Klingons patrol that part of space. That would make sense if something had happened to the Romulans. It was never specified in ST-TNG but the J.J. Trek film puts it on the line saying the Romulans are mostly wiped out. They're gone.

The writers of the movie script were pretty clever and I don't think it's necessarily a coincidence that their destruction of Romulus coincides with this detail. Plus J.J. and those writers keep saying nothing has really changed but they never explain how that is so. Maybe what they are not saying, but hinting at, is that this new incarnation of Trek is following that other time-line, The Q timeline revealed to Picard from the finale` in All Good Things..." What might have tipped it would have been if Picard had appeared in this film, rumor is early script versions did have Picard in the flash-forward, accompanying Spock), but Picard was cut out of the story-for now.

[MightyMegs]

How can the writers say 'nothing really changed'? They blew-up Vulcan.

[Toy Talk]

How can the writers say 'nothing really changed'? They blew-up Vulcan.

That was AWESOME!

[Brazoo]

How can the writers say 'nothing really changed'? They blew-up Vulcan.

That WAS awesome!

I haven't heard anyone say nothing has really changed, but if someone did then could they have been talking about the original Star Trek dimension? What they might be saying is that the original Trek dimension is still the same, we're just branched off into another dimension from the point of the Romulan's time travel on. No?

[Sideshow Spock]

The definite implication in All Good Things was that the Klingons had conquered the Romulan Empire, not that Romulus was actually "gone" and the Klingons were just hanging out in that space now. As you say, they didn't actually go into specifics, but connecting this 16 year-old minor plot point to the movie is a stretch to say the least.

[Mikey]

They can bring back Vulcan anytime they want ... Just write another time travel story.

With time travel nothing is permanent unless the writers want it to be.

[Toy Talk]

I am just not that deep. The new Star Trek was outright entertaining, and for the first Trek film since the III...I laughed and was thoroughly entertained.

[bobws]

The new film KILLED TREK for Me!

[david_b]

I am just not that deep. The new Star Trek was outright entertaining, and for the first Trek film since the III...I laughed and was thoroughly entertained.

THANKS for the mention of III ('Search for Spock'). No one ever thinks alot about that film, I actually liked it much more than II and IV (and V). I still get choked up at the ending..

'Khan' was great, but like everyone, I just saw it thousands of times back in the day.

david_b

[UnderdogDJLSW]

It wouldn't surprise me if the writers were looking at All Good Things for reference. In their Star Trek Countdown comic book they wrote, Picard is an ambassador except B-4 has captured all of Data's memories and is called Data again and is in command of the Enterprise rather than Riker.

Don't mean to divert the thread, but STIII is one of my favorites, too. Has the most soul.

[johnmiic]

It wouldn't surprise me if the writers were looking at All Good Things for reference. In their Star Trek Countdown comic book they wrote, Picard is an ambassador except B-4 has captured all of Data's memories and is called Data again and is in command of the Enterprise rather than Riker.

Yes! I'm glad you concur and you didn't hijack the thread at all. Great input.

The definite implication in All Good Things was that the Klingons had conquered the Romulan Empire, not that Romulus was actually "gone" and the Klingons were just hanging out in that space now. As you say, they didn't actually go into specifics, but connecting this 16 year-old minor plot point to the movie is a stretch to say the least.

I disagree. The writers of the new Trek film seem to have put in a truckload of Trek references. They were very detailed. This "16 year-old minor plot point", would only be one of the most recently aired details they included compared to the many older references they included form the 45 year old classic Trek series. In "All Good Things..." even if they implied the Klingons conquered the Romulan Empire that doesn't discount the possibility that their homeworld was destroyed, (making them much easier to conquer).

[Mikey]

I dunno,
I think the reference was probably unintentional because All Good Things was a Berman production and it sounded like JJ and the studio tried to distance themselves from anything Berman as much as possible.

Maybe I didn't watch closely enough, but besides Spock being an Ambassador I don't think i've seen any Star Trek sequal series references in the whole movie.

It seems like this movie could have picked up right after Undiscovered Country... Many years in the future, of course.