Star Trek SPOILERS thread!!! BEST Star Trek film EVER!!!

[david_b]

Good to see the character of Christopher Pike again as well.

Yes, I saw it on a deluxe screen (not quite IMAX) the other evening and it's pretty darn good.. Loved seeing the Pike character really show some spunk. I can't say much more than everyone else here. I didn't think the bridge was as good as everyone else here does (still prefer the older look, as I do with the Enterprise itself..), but the characters all registered very nicely.

'Course every scene with an Orion Slave Girl is TOPS in my book. Spock's intimacy with Uhura was an interesting concept, not totally unthinkable for canon, especially with his Vulcan fiance now up in dust with the rest of Vulcan..

Nice inside joke on Adm. Archer ('Enterprise'). Anyone else find any inside references to earlier shows..?

All in all, can't wait to buy it on DVD..!

david_b

[Captain]

I ended up seeing this film again (3x) today, trying to take my mind of some issues of the day before.

Anyways, I did find the New Voyages guy cameo scene...He is walking across Spocks path as he walks back into the bridge and comments on Chekovs plan (right after his little "emotional outburst" with Kirk, and his confab with Pa in the transporter room)
Chapel IS the girl with the Rand style beehive hairdo that grabs Pike when he and Kirk return from Neros ship.

Other than those, and the cameo shots previously mentioned in another post, I think thats it? Didnt notice many other inside references either...except for quotes and phrases from past movies and episodes (or is that future movies and episodes...I'm so confused?)

[The Bat]

The other thing that bothered me was Nimoy Spock not going onto the ship to tell young Spock the real story behind Nero. later in the film he says it was to bring he and Kirk together as friends, but if billions of people on Vulcan had already died and Earth was next...shouldn't he be thinking about the quickest way to get results and not a friendship in a timeline that was already altered (from his perspective)?

Steve

Not going Himself...and sending Kirk back to the Enterprise wasn't just to insure their future freindship...Spock believes in JAMES T.KIRK! He believes in Kirk's abiltites to do the IMPOSSIBLE, and always find a way to win! That's what Kirk does BEST!

[UnderdogDJLSW]

I bought the novel (which by the way I think is cool that it is adapted by Allan Dean Foster). I agree that Nimoy Spock believes in Jim Kirk, but it still presented itself to me in the movie as "Sorry Leonard, this is all the cameo screen time we can give you right now." I'm hoping that the novel will explain it better than what I interpreted from the movie.

[Hector]

I saw it for the second time just about a couple of hours ago.

[trekman101]

Not going Himself...and sending Kirk back to the Enterprise wasn't just to insure their future freindship...Spock believes in JAMES T.KIRK! He believes in Kirk's abiltites to do the IMPOSSIBLE, and always find a way to win! That's what Kirk does BEST!

HERE.... HERE!!!!!!!!

[UnderdogDJLSW]

Been reading the novel and it explains things a bit nicer. At one point old Spock has an epiphany that even though things have been changed in time, he notices that now along with the other times he's seen reality changes that some "fate" seems to keep the major characters together and that is his reason for deciding that only Kirk getting back near young Spock will be the only way that the Federation will survive. In the novel it is also mentioned that Old Spock did at first, when he was marooned on Delta Vega, sneak into the base without alerting Scotty and try to use the communications system to warn Starfleet, but the base's technology was too old to work through Nero's jamming.

[The Bat]

In the novel it is also mentioned that Old Spock did at first, when he was marooned on Delta Vega, sneak into the base without alerting Scotty and try to use the communications system to warn Starfleet, but the base's technology was too old to work through Nero's jamming.

That seems....logical.

[Brue]

loved the movie

new mccoy nailed it

i was afraid it was going to be a dream sequence movie - i am glad it isn't. they truly can have a fresh start without worrying about continuity of the original series.

the platform on the romulan ship were straight out of galaxy quest.

how many miliseconds did it take before you knew the red shirt was going to die in the space jump?

in previews i didn't really buy kirk but he was great.

i have seen eric bana in 3 movies. he was not right for hulk and not right for the romulan leader

[johnmiic]

I saw the movie last night and it's hard not to like it. It's got lots of action, it's very fast paced and it gives us a fresh start. It shows us that with a new young cast, free from the internal battles the previous cast had with Shatner, you can do a Trek production with less limitations on it. Trek can be smart and saavy and action-packed.

BUT

This was a good film. It has a really solid story angle. So why change so many details? The plot: the timeline has been changed by Nero and we are now living in an alternate reality, does not have any bearing on the need to change the look of the sets, models, props, costumes, or the way they function. Every new Trek show or film goes thru a redesign process but this is radically different. It could have been explained that based on the "look" of things that this was an alternate reality even before Nero messed with time. They could have just as easily brought back the look of the old show and it would have easily fit better into continuity. Which brings me to another point.

Let me call out the writers and producers who have complaints about doing Trek shows and films. They claim they are too constrained by continuity. That being said this film draws far and wide from Trek stories liberally throwing in names of people, places and things from various shows. I would have to guess that after they developed the plot this film pretty much wrote itself. It doesn't take much thought to just sprinkle familiar names and dialogue from the old show in the new film.

Revealing that Sulu's combat training includes fencing is good. The use of Uhura's first name is great. Scotty saying the engines canna take much more of this! is complely in character. BUT we see Spock try to strand Kirk on Delta Vega, the planet where Kirk and Spock tried to strand Gary Mitchell in the second pilot. Dr. Piper from that pilot is referred to as killed on the Enterprise after the first attack by Nero. The scene where Spock quotes Shelock Holmes on the bridge in front of the viewscreen was literally taken from ST6. Capt. Pike is confined to a wheelchair-but not as extreme as his condition in The Managerie. And on and on...

This film is going to be a blockbuster because of it's style. This is a modern action flick. The scenes done in this film could have been done in any Trek film but certainly would not have looked as good as they do here. You could best compare them to the fight scenes between Kirk and Krudge in STIII. If done today they would be hyper-energetic like the hand to hand fight on the drill mechanism in this film.

[boss]

My wife and I saw it last night and really enjoyed it. Sure there were plot holes you could drive a dump truck thru.

Plus, I'm convinced T1K is going to hate it.

[Gorn Captain]

I liked it, they did a great job of breathing new life in a near-dead franchise.

The use of time travel neatly explains why certain things are different from vintage TOS. Very clever.
This way, you can let Vulcan be destroyed, and not mess up the TOS time-line, because that basically....never happened in this new Trek universe.

I would have prefered it staying closer to TOS, but it's OK, I can live with it.

The movie is very smooth, and gets some emotional punch in there whenever needed.
It's a bit slow at times, but this is "the beginning", so that's fine. Introducing the characters now and then slows the pace, but it's inevitable.

I think all actors did a great job, they did their homework. At times, I do feel they could have "toned it down" a bit. Some mannerisms are a bit too OTT.
Scotty was never this "funny and energetic". Doohan played that down more. Scotty was always my favourite, but Doohan was more subtle.

What I really disliked, was Spock and Uhura "doing the wild thing".
Too much emphasis on his human side, guys.
Where was his Vulcan composure?
It especially bothered me that, when about to save Earth, they still felt the need to smooch on the transporter pad.
So out of character.

All things considered, this was the only way to bring back all the Trek magic from the past. If you don't accept the reboot, then this new Trek is not for you. Ever.
But then you'll have to live without new Trek from now on, I guess.

I'm looking forward to the next one.
I also hope we have a new recurring character: Crewman Cupcake. Funniest guy on the ship....

[Hector]

i have seen eric bana in 3 movies. he was not right for hulk and not right for the romulan leader

He was great as Hector in Troy.

[jessica]

I just saw the movie this morning. It was FUN!! But....I didn't like Spock and Uhura's relationship. It was very out of character for BOTH of them. I can go see it again. Too bad I wasn't in my Uhura outfit, because today was just a perfect day to be out in a minidress and boots in San Francisco....but then maybe I wouldn't have gone shopping while wearing my outfit since it would be so out of character.

[Hector]

Awesome, Jessica...I'm glad you enjoyed it.