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At it's core, is Star Wars more visceral and Star Trek more intellectual? Is Star Trek Science Fiction and Star Wars Science Fantasy? Is Star Wars more mythic? Is Star Trek more optimistic?
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Star Wars world is more lived in... used up, broken and timeless.
Star Trek is more utopian... earth-based and everything revolves around earth's history, the Federation...Comment
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Children will actually sit Down & Watch Star Wars... I know of None up here, that would do the same with Star Trek.... The Original Knight ..., Often Imitated, However Never Duplicated. The 1st Knight in Customs.
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Star Trek is politics disguised as science fiction. Star Wars is science fiction paying tribute to 50's serials. It's night and day difference. I did like the original Star Trek because the ideology was a little more grounded. But as subsequent series came out (after the movie franchise kicked into high gear), I found the values more liberal in scope and finally so PC they became unbearable to watch. The social agenda was transparent and I'm not interested in finding common ground through the metaphor of a Klingon. Of course with Star Wars one could argue the first trilogy was pure science fiction, while the second was really about the dark side of Hasbro (but that's for another discussion altogther).
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I have never really understood the "you either like Star Wars or you either like Star Trek" mentality that I've seen in some fans of both franchises. (by the way, I'm not accusing anyone here of that). I like Sci Fi, so I never really thought of them as fundamentally different. Just different stories. I think Star Wars at times can be as thought provoking as Trek and I think Trek can be as on the edge of your seat exciting as Star Wars can be.It's all good!Comment
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As the saying go's : "Trek rules, and Wars drools"!
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>I have never really understood the "you either like Star Wars or you either like Star Trek" mentality that I've seen in some fans of both franchises.
It's the old "people need a winner" problem we were discussing a while back, as pertaining to music. (Notably the Judas Priest/Iron Maiden dichotomy.) People have a helluva time accepting two different perspectives; even if they're not really different perspectives and are only casually connected by proiximity....
But the two are different. Trek presents a stable universe, where things work, and people can dwell more on internal matters. From the beginning it was intended as a more highbrow show, and a way to deal with topical matters. (Disguised as sci-fi so the execs wouldn't complain.) Wars is about instability; the universe is in turmoil, things fall apart, shades of grey. It's also meant to be an oldschool action series: cliffhangers, bigger than life heroes, HUGE areas of consequence.
So they're both different from each other; or rather, SHOULD be. Increasingly both settings have been pounded into the current sci-fi mold, resulting in a smooth, grey tasteless pablum. So "The Force" gets a "harder" sci-fi makeover, and super-teen kung-fu skydiving Kirk fights off the Romulan empire singlehandedly....
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Star trek has always commented on social issues, the human condition and our potential.Some segments of the newer incarnations became too liberally elite and political.Star wars has always been an action saga in the tradition of old movies.Thats why star wars connects to a broader audience than star trek(you have to think when you watch star trek and just have fun when you watch star wars)"Thats the ticket laddie"
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In my mind the biggest detriment to Star Trek has been the endless spin offs which all followed formula while adding more social minded, brow-beating characters. Another reason is the IN-YOUR-FACE production values of the female outfits. They all look designed to arouse a 15 year old nerd. Torpedo style busts with form fitting spandex filmed in studios that were clearly cooled off to reveal other items of interest. Then all of the characters walking about with these serious, almost deadpan, expressions drooling philosophical nonsense while failing to notice the obvious. Diehards can rationalize it away, but in all honesty it underminds the material to the point of making it camp. Holding hands and singing "We are the world" while your outfit screams "I want to be your world" tends to dilute a social message you can apply in a...uhm...public forum.
So to suggest Star Trek is even serious science fiction anymore is a bit of a stretch.Last edited by MIB41; Apr 10, '09, 10:52 AM.Comment
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They both have sound in space, which is impossible.
They both travel to new star systems in hours, which is impossible.
They both start with "Star", and add a four letter word.
So basically, they are the same.
There's enough love in my heart for both.
It's more or less the way I feel about my wife, and the hot chick across the road....
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"When things are at their darkest, it's a brave man that can kick back and party."Comment
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Star Trek is politics disguised as science fiction. Star Wars is science fiction paying tribute to 50's serials. It's night and day difference. I did like the original Star Trek because the ideology was a little more grounded. But as subsequent series came out (after the movie franchise kicked into high gear), I found the values more liberal in scope and finally so PC they became unbearable to watch. The social agenda was transparent and I'm not interested in finding common ground through the metaphor of a Klingon. Of course with Star Wars one could argue the first trilogy was pure science fiction, while the second was really about the dark side of Hasbro (but that's for another discussion altogther).
Yeah, the new Treks lay the PC on pretty thick. I used to love it (First season TNG was really PC) but present day me would not like it at all (even though I am able to view the Treks differently because of the way I first saw them).Comment
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Kirk made out with lots of women, but to the best of my knowledge, he never kissed his sister.Comment
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