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[mego73]

TOS is on a pedestal that none of the other Treks can reach in my mind. But I still love or at least like the rest of the Treks. TNG is second only to TOS.

[Mikey]

For me, the problem with Next Gen were they were mostly just talking heads ...
There wasn't much action.

Also, I hated the News Series' music scores... (i'm not talking about beginning themes)
I'm talking about the actual episode scores..

There is nobody that can't hum any number of classic Trek scores right now.
Doomsday Machine
Corbomite
Spock theme
Kirk in love theme
etc.

Can anyone hum a Nex Gen, DS9, Voyager or Enterprise score ?
No way.

I always thought the new series' music scores was as dull as the shows themselves.
Mostly synth doodling ---

[ctc]

>the problem with Next Gen were they were mostly just talking heads ...

I hated that they were all so well adjusted and intellectual. Made them all seem really similar. Sure the original crew were painted in broad strokes, but those strokes were different from each other. With the next gen guys they were all various levels of the same traits. Except for Ro, who wasn't on so long; Worf, who got his butt handed to him at least once an episode; and Troi when she was actively seeking her comission, 'cos she was pretty much the only character actually changing and developing at the time.

....and I REALLY liked the Borg, up until they got feelings, started carrying around a spare nekkid chick, and became every other sci-fi alien bad guy.

*sigh*

I dunno. I guess the folks in charge thought that was a better way of doing characters 'cos all the following series suffered from it as well. It was one of the things that sunk Voyager for me: they set things up so the characters were SUPPOSED to be different from each other, but they never really behaved that way. Enterprise had it too, where characters were defined mostly by their skill sets and not their personal traits. They kinda got away from it with DS9, when the doc and O'Brien started hanging out with each other; but it all sorta went away once the next alien super-menace appeared.

Don C.

[huedell]

I gues TOS was simply "over my head" because I can't sit through most any TOS episode without losing interest, but yet I was a big fan of TNG show
and how their characters interacted....

it blows my mind that you guys find the NG's overall interaction
so one-dimensional because it was engaging for me most of the time...

...and in the context of not enjoying TOS characters to any large extent
(while it was still on the small screen), made TNG "experience" seem that
much more impressive to me...

In TNG, I felt a large sense of improvement over TOS and an opportunity to
connect it to the classic icons of TOS in a way more than very brief
moments in the OS TV show, OS toys and a few OS cast movies.
(Hopefully this new movie will function in the same
way---have me connecting more with the iconic OS characters, I mean)

[Mikey]

When you get down to the nitty gritty, Star Trek is just a TV show like any other show.
It's made to entertain as is any play, movie or book.

Most of the time these characters are overblown to an extent to make them interesting... Kirk with his eternal hard-on and Spock with his stupid logic this -logic that is a perfect example...

Next Gen were more like watching your coworkers with a hidden camera.
It was boring... and more would appeal to today's younger audiences who are used to reality shows.

When I watch Trek, I don't want reality.
I don't care if Troi has a boil on her ***
I want entertainment in an old fashoned way.
Shoot 'em up, get the girl , and queue the closing them music

[ctc]

>I can't sit through most any TOS episode without losing interest, but yet I was a big fan of TNG show and how their characters interacted....

It's not really strange. Whichever one you saw first would become the template through which you'd judge the rest. And from that idea, TNG really drew heavily from non-sci-fi tv writing.... which is possibly one reason it was so popular with so many normal folks when it was on. It conformed to the template THEY'D grown up with. TOS followed a MUCH older template; it followed the mid 60's action/adventure one.

>In TNG, I felt a large sense of improvement over TOS

Well.... that might come from the "winner" idea I mentioned in another thread. They're both different, but a lot of folks prefer TNG 'cos the effects are better, the acting is more polished, and the writing more solid. I prefer the original 'cos they had more ideas. The monsters were weirder, the characters more unique, and they weren't afraid to stretch things for the sake of a story. Even if those ideas were WAY beyond what was technically possible at the time. (I even loved the space hippies, 'cos it showed there was a counterculture in the Federation. Other than Starfleet or being a crazy scientist, we don't get too much of an idea what life is like for average people in TNG.)

>and an opportunity to connect it to the classic icons of TOS in a way more than very brief moments in the OS TV show

You may never make that connection. A lot of your personal taste is hardwired in. Nuthin' you can do about that. And the original series was as much a product of it's time and the accidental grouping together of the folks who prduced it as any OTHER show.

.... but the Trek setting is a big one, and I don't think you should HAVE to like it all to get something out of it. That's what I was getting at a while back about why I'd like to see something new rather than a rehash of the old characters. They could even do stories with new characters in any of the settings. (Sort of how the RPG did things.)

I'd LOVE to see a story set on one of the Daedalus class ships, or some stories in the current timeline showing what happened with some of the societies from the old show. The Iotians actually CONTACTED the Federation. Any of 'em still around? (In one of our RPG campaigns we had a squad of marines that were Iotian, and still talked like gangsters. This included some interesting derrivations of standard military commands....)

....but you'd never see that; 'cos a lot of the old show is, you know, stupid.... which means it's "wrong".... which is a shame 'cos there's a lot of good stuff that's not being used. And "right" generally means "conforms to the current template".... which means "is just like everything else".... which is why "reimagining" older stuff bothers me 'cos it sucks some of the uniqueness out of the setting. Most sci-fi these days seems WAY too self-conscious.

....which is too bad, 'cos them Iotian Marines ROCKED!

Don C.