For STAR WARS fans: A Philosophical Question

[huedell]

I agree with pretty much everything that was said. In the context of the history of what happened, it would be impossible for Obi Wan to say "Darth Vader is your dad and your sister is on Alderaan, let's go!" But if you look at the prequel films, Obi Wan isn't the best of the Jedi, just a bit more lucky than the rest of them. Perhaps, there was also a bit of fear in him like "Boy, I messed up with Anakin, maybe if Luke finds out his father is Vader, he'll turn towards the dark side, too." In other words, hide the truth for self preservation and take Luke under his wing to try and right the wrong he caused with the creation of Vader.

Oh yes---yes---yes.

I love the end of SITH when Padme's like "You're gonna kill him aren't you?"
and Obi's like "You bet!" (paraphrased by me!)

By the time Yoda convinces Obi-Wan of the danger Anakin and
the Sith hold, Obi-Wan wants to solve this Sith problem at all costs.

Lie, cheat...kill his best friend.

I like that about Obi.

On the other hand...Anakin is a selfish jerk.

[huedell]

Maybe so but I still say Lucas DIDN'T have the complete trilogy planned out when he started on the first movie.

Well, that's a can of worms I don't wanna revisit---however---it
DID strike me to applaud the value of the "Skywalker flirting"
and how it played into the ultimate conclusion of the
"Luke/Leia/Han Love Triangle"----always liked the romantic
push and pull there....best epitimized in that Hoth Medical Room scene
and "The Kiss".

[UnderdogDJLSW]

I agree with pretty much everything that was said. In the context of the history of what happened, it would be impossible for Obi Wan to say "Darth Vader is your dad and your sister is on Alderaan, let's go!" But if you look at the prequel films, Obi Wan isn't the best of the Jedi, just a bit more lucky than the rest of them. Perhaps, there was also a bit of fear in him like "Boy, I messed up with Anakin, maybe if Luke finds out his father is Vader, he'll turn towards the dark side, too." In other words, hide the truth for self preservation and take Luke under his wing to try and right the wrong he caused with the creation of Vader.

[Seeker]

But that wasn't the question for this thread.
Let's make another thread for that!!!

Ahh but it does. It goes to show you how the lies keep coming from the old man. First Luke, then the force, the poor R2. Obviously this man had a problem.


And George Lucas is real? I thought he was just CGI.

[ZICA]

I've said this before...and I'll say it again....

Incest is a common theme or undertone in mythology and other epic classic stories...

...and having the Skywalkers flirting with each other AIDS
the surprise revelation of them being brother and sister
instead of HURTING it...it's (what they call in the movies)
a "red herring" (i.e. a distraction from the truth eventually revealed).

It also sets up the connection of Leia and Han quite cleanly.

Leia prefers to get romantically involved with the guy that ISN'T her
brother!

Maybe so but I still say Lucas DIDN'T have the complete trilogy planned out when he started on the first movie.

[huedell]

I honestly don't think Lucas had everything figured out when he wrote the first movie and probably considered Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker to be two totally different characters. My reasoning for this is because of how he handled the whole Luke/Leia relationship in the first two films. If he had planned for them to be brother and sister all along I doubt he would have included the parts of them seeming to have a romantic interest in each other. After finding out they were siblings in The Return of the Jedi it gives the previous films a weird kind of vibe when the scenes of them kissing takes place.

I've said this before...and I'll say it again....

Incest is a common theme or undertone in mythology and other epic classic stories...

...and having the Skywalkers flirting with each other AIDS
the surprise revelation of them being brother and sister
instead of HURTING it...it's (what they call in the movies)
a "red herring" (i.e. a distraction from the truth eventually revealed).

It also sets up the connection of Leia and Han quite cleanly.

Leia prefers to get romantically involved with the guy that ISN'T her
brother!

[ZICA]

I honestly don't think Lucas had everything figured out when he wrote the first movie and probably considered Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker to be two totally different characters. My reasoning for this is because of how he handled the whole Luke/Leia relationship in the first two films. If he had planned for them to be brother and sister all along I doubt he would have included the parts of them seeming to have a romantic interest in each other. After finding out they were siblings in The Return of the Jedi it gives the previous films a weird kind of vibe when the scenes of them kissing takes place.

[Gorn Captain]

George Lucas is a filmmaker in our own real world reality. But he is NOT a character from STAR WARS.

George Lucas is real?

[Gorn Captain]

What about not knowing those droids? What a dis. Sure C 3PO got memory wiped but poor R2.

"Beep Boop" Translate Hey man good to see you again
"I dont recall knowing this droid"

"Beeeeep Wheeze" Translate Screw you after all we were through...

Don't get me started on that. I hated that part!
And I'll never for George for making R2 fly, spit fire, have extra arms,...
R2 was fine the way he was!

But that wasn't the question for this thread.
Let's make another thread for that!!!

[Gorn Captain]

Ben shielded Luke from a terrible truth.
He did give him indications about what happened. And tried to take it from there.
Basically he said that the good man that was Anakin was murdered by the evil man that was Darth Vader-Anakin. The bad side of the coin destroying the good side.
More or less like Batman's Two-Face, whose dark side took over, crushing his virtuous one.
Was that a lie, or a distortion of a situation that might have messed up Luke forever?

If I had to tell a young innocent man about his evil father (evil at the time of speaking about it, not when Anakin was young), I'd sugarcoat it. Waiting for a better time, when that young man was stronger.
What could he say?: "Hi, young man, your Daddy was a genocidal baby-killing monster. But he started out pretty decent, though. Now, how about some breakfast?"

[Seeker]

The real question is why Obi-Wan lied about the force and didn't mention the midichlorians.

Catch the back story of Sideous keeping the body of that jedi he got to buy the clone army on ice so he could inject midicholrians into Gen Grievious to enhance him.

Boy just find a Jedi and steal a bit o blood and you too can do amazing gymnatic moves, hurl lightning and choke your neighbors from a distance

[Seeker]

What about not knowing those droids? What a dis. Sure C 3PO got memory wiped but poor R2.

"Beep Boop" Translate Hey man good to see you again
"I dont recall knowing this droid"

"Beeeeep Wheeze" Translate Screw you after all we were through...

[megoscott]

Maybe they can digitally insert a scene where Obi Wan jabs Luke with a syringe to test his midichlorian count.

[Earth 2 Chris]

The real question is why Obi-Wan lied about the force and didn't mention the midichlorians

Man, did that concept suck. Of all the things that were wrong about the prequels, that was the worst.

Chris

[megoscott]

The real question is why Obi-Wan lied about the force and didn't mention the midichlorians.