Slasher flicks with guns instead of knives?:

[TrueDave]

Punisher:War Zone
Rambo 2010
Expendables

Is there a name for this kinda Action Gore films? A sub-genre name?

When I saw War Zone I was pretty shocked. And just the Rambo teaser had more gore than the old Dawn of the Dead.

Frank Castle always gets called a serial killer in teh Punisher comics but I REALLY see it in these kinda films.

Will we get Westerns next?

Is there a label yet?

[ctc]

>Is there a label yet?

"70's action film?" Even though these weren't made in the 70's, they sure embody the mayhem.

Don C.

[fallensaviour]

Will we get Westerns next?

They already exist.

Spaghetti westerns alot of them have oodles of blood and death.
The king being Django(has an ear being sliced off...LOL)
And lets not forget anything done by peckinpah(the wild bunch,pat garret and billy the kid). They Have been around for forty years already...LOL
You could go way back and watch the Howard Hughes film "the outlaw" with billy the kid in it he gets the tips of his ears shot off.

[TrueDave]

Yeah but I REALLY have not seen this sort of GORE in a gun Action film before.
Love the 70's but when I first saw War Zone I thought WHOAH this is gorier than a Zombie flick!

[babycyclops]

While it's not new, I think I agree with you on this.
I remember an editorial in an old Fangoria where the editor was talking about the future of gore. One of his conclusions was that SPFX and gore would become more common in non-horror films, and I think he was really right. To me, a film like Pulp Fiction is an example of this, or more recently, No Country for Old Men, both pretty graphic in their depictions of violence. Saving Private Ryan set new benchmarks in portrayal of violence.
BTW, I love the Wild Bunch, it's just an awesome film! As for the last Rambo film... well as doughy as Stallone looked, it's probably the only film that realistically shows what a heavy machine gun would actually do to a human body... much more realistic (I'm speaking as an armchair warrior) than Ridley Scott's Black Hawk Down

[Mr.Krusher]

I'm not sure WHAT you would call them...."gungore"? (TM and copyrighted, btw..)

I'm not too into seeing a lot of the 'heavy' gun stuff. Nearly my entire family is Military in one form or another, and most of the men in my family have hunted and trapped throughout the Adirondack Mts. and the length of Lake Champlain. I never really enjoyed firearms all that much, or having the see the 'effects' of them either. When a man that my mother was dating took his own life with a shotgun many years ago, that was it for me...no more around me and no more in the house.


As to that last Rambo film, after the flying foolishness that was the last two, I nearly bailed on this one...sure glad I didnt though. I realize that its not a masterpiece of modern cinema, but it had much more heart, a better developed story, much more humanity, and was FAR more realistic than those last two heaps by bounds. Even if you abide by the stereotypes of what a machismo and RIDICULOUS character he is and how he has become a bit of a pop-culture in-joke, (Weird Al's Rambo? LOL) give the FIRST and FINAL films a try...watch them in succession. You might find the story very tragic and multi-layered, filled with political overtones, and deeply touching. (Hey, my pop was a pretty 'hard' guy, he fought the Nazis AND raised kids, and I clearly remember him tearing-up at the end of 'First Blood'...)
...Or, you might just say: "Meh, another Hollywood cheese-ball with too many GUNS and not enough BRAINS! - Pass the remote Irene!"

[babycyclops]

^ That's fair enough, Krusher. Guns are a pretty heavy issue, and I certainly understand what you're saying. My parents were kids in German occupied Greece during WW2, and I grew up with their stories about the war, many of which are very, very sad
But we're talkin' about movies man! and in film reality I enjoy a good shoot-em-up.

I'm not too into seeing a lot of the 'heavy' gun stuff.

So, what I wanna know is, do you turn away when the dude wearing the suit is SHREDDED by the ED209 in Robocop?

[mazinz]

hey TrueDave,
pretty much you need to track down any of those massive amount of 1980's made in the Philippine's (and other such areas) Vietnam war films. Most of them are horrible exploitation of some sort with plenty of blood, gore and guns. This link may help you out:

When the Vietnam War raged... in the Philippines

also if you can get any of the Indian/Turkish remakes of American films (like Star wars, Rambo, Superman, etc) they feature plenty of gore and guns

[TrueDave]

Gory Turkish Star Wars? Much better than Indian Bollywood Superman musicals. !!!!

I LOVE the Rated X Robocop cut !!!!!! Changed the WHOLE film. Made it MORE of a Tragedy. Also explained the medical angle. NOT dead.
The Murphy getting his brain blown out was a matrix shot WAY ahead of its time.
Weller BLINKING when Clarences neck gore spashed on him at the abandoned factory in Moneseen PA? !!!!!

hey TrueDave,
pretty much you need to track down any of those massive amount of 1980's made in the Philippine's (and other such areas) Vietnam war films. Most of them are horrible exploitation of some sort with plenty of blood, gore and guns. This link may help you out:

When the Vietnam War raged... in the Philippines

also if you can get any of the Indian/Turkish remakes of American films (like Star wars, Rambo, Superman, etc) they feature plenty of gore and guns

[Mikey]

I don't remember the title but that 70's Martin Sheen movie where he was a serial killer.

[lepage]

How about "Maniac"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcZew9l***Y

[Den82]

Ms. 45
The Zodiac Killer (1971)

[babycyclops]

^I've always wanted to see Ms. 45. The lead actress, Zoe Lund, was an interesting person. She's credited with co-writing Abel Ferrara's 'Bad Lieutenant' too.