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Umm. No. R2-D2 and C-3PO are also in all 6 episodes.
Well... yes... that IS how the story ends. But... um... "love story" between Anakin and Obi-Wan you say? I... uh... respectfully think it is YOU who are WAAAAY off the mark, as it were.
Yes, Palpatine's pandering IS part of Anakin's seduction to the dark side of the Force. But the blatant mistrust, hostility, and rejection by the Jedi Council didn't help matters.
In any event, I never referred to Palpatine's ego-stroking as "fathering" of Anakin. I said he "... encouraged him, and treated him like a son over the years... made him feel useful, wanted, appreciated, and respected..." . I certainly do NOT see that as the same as "fathering" him.
Hmm. You mean the way Anakin consistently did on behalf of the Jedi order and on behalf of the Republic right up until the last moment before his fall to the Dark Side? Yes I agree.
It's a good thing Luke Skywalker REJECTED the notion of casting aside his personal desires during his transformation into a Jedi. Otherwise he may have blindly obeyed Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi and just tried to KILL his father without recognizing the good that still lay within him waiting to be rescued and brought out.
It was Luke's love and personal desire to save his father that helped draw him back from the clutches of the Dark Side of The Force.
And without Anakin's re-awakening, Palpatine would have murdered Luke, Vader would continue to be The Emperor's sad slave, and the galaxy would continue to be mired in the Empire's darkness and cruelty.
Fine. Does this mean that he should also close himself off to the obvious arrogant "ego-boosting and pandering" that the Jedi engage in with each other... but conspicuously exclude him from?
And while NOT seeking praise, should Anakin also blindly look forward to and accept the un-warranted and un-deserved disdain, disrespect, hostility, mistrust, and rejection of the very brotherhood that teaches him these selfless lessons of service for others?
Well, that's certainly ONE (jedi-centric) way of looking at it.
Another way of looking at it is if the Jedi order had been more supportive and compassionate toward their brother Anakin, then his (already) incredible loyalty to them might not have been broken at all. And everything could have been avoided.
Don't forget: His loyalty to the Jedi was only broken as a desperate last resort.
And how exactly did they manage that? By alienating and isolating him every step of the way? A fine example that is for a bunch of knights who stress compassion and service to your fellow man. Does this compassion and service NOT apply to each other as well?
No. He was perfectly worthy to be a Jedi. His un-matched skill, bravery, mastery of The Force and loyalty demonstrated that. As for his vanity, that really had very little to do with his undoing and fall to the Dark Side of The Force.
I'd say a more direct culprit was his fear of loss.
He was so afraid to loose Padme, his true love (and to feel the helpless emotional agony that he experienced with his mother's brutal murder), that he was willing to do anything to prevent her death... even selling his soul to the Devil. That's the ultimate tragedy of Anakin's story.
You're right. And if Mace Windu had NOT been such a constant jerk toward Anakin from the moment he laid eyes on him as a little boy, then Anakin might NOT have sliced off his arm when confronted with the choice of betrayal or losing the knowledge to prevent his wife's death. And all would have been well. Palpatine would not have stood a chance against BOTH of them, and his defeat would have been total.
Palpatine did NOT lie when he told Anakin that the Jedi "... need you... more than you know."
He was secretly refering to Anakin's ability to defeat even HIM, and helping the Jedi avoid total destruction at the hands of the Sith.
Well the Jedi certainly did NOT do that... and look where it got them.
I say, Reject NOT the padawan with open contempt... especially when he demonstrates loyalty and bravery, and especially when you believe him to be the "Chosen One" who is destined to defeat the Sith and bring balance to The Force.
In short, it's a bad idea to reject your star player.
Yes... well I've learned that you could certainly benefit from a clearer understanding of the events of the STAR WARS saga. And that is something that I can happily provide... if you're interested.
Well... yes... that IS how the story ends. But... um... "love story" between Anakin and Obi-Wan you say? I... uh... respectfully think it is YOU who are WAAAAY off the mark, as it were.
Yes, Palpatine's pandering IS part of Anakin's seduction to the dark side of the Force. But the blatant mistrust, hostility, and rejection by the Jedi Council didn't help matters.
In any event, I never referred to Palpatine's ego-stroking as "fathering" of Anakin. I said he "... encouraged him, and treated him like a son over the years... made him feel useful, wanted, appreciated, and respected..." . I certainly do NOT see that as the same as "fathering" him.
Hmm. You mean the way Anakin consistently did on behalf of the Jedi order and on behalf of the Republic right up until the last moment before his fall to the Dark Side? Yes I agree.
It's a good thing Luke Skywalker REJECTED the notion of casting aside his personal desires during his transformation into a Jedi. Otherwise he may have blindly obeyed Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi and just tried to KILL his father without recognizing the good that still lay within him waiting to be rescued and brought out.
It was Luke's love and personal desire to save his father that helped draw him back from the clutches of the Dark Side of The Force.
And without Anakin's re-awakening, Palpatine would have murdered Luke, Vader would continue to be The Emperor's sad slave, and the galaxy would continue to be mired in the Empire's darkness and cruelty.
Fine. Does this mean that he should also close himself off to the obvious arrogant "ego-boosting and pandering" that the Jedi engage in with each other... but conspicuously exclude him from?
And while NOT seeking praise, should Anakin also blindly look forward to and accept the un-warranted and un-deserved disdain, disrespect, hostility, mistrust, and rejection of the very brotherhood that teaches him these selfless lessons of service for others?
Well, that's certainly ONE (jedi-centric) way of looking at it.
Another way of looking at it is if the Jedi order had been more supportive and compassionate toward their brother Anakin, then his (already) incredible loyalty to them might not have been broken at all. And everything could have been avoided.
Don't forget: His loyalty to the Jedi was only broken as a desperate last resort.
And how exactly did they manage that? By alienating and isolating him every step of the way? A fine example that is for a bunch of knights who stress compassion and service to your fellow man. Does this compassion and service NOT apply to each other as well?
No. He was perfectly worthy to be a Jedi. His un-matched skill, bravery, mastery of The Force and loyalty demonstrated that. As for his vanity, that really had very little to do with his undoing and fall to the Dark Side of The Force.
I'd say a more direct culprit was his fear of loss.
He was so afraid to loose Padme, his true love (and to feel the helpless emotional agony that he experienced with his mother's brutal murder), that he was willing to do anything to prevent her death... even selling his soul to the Devil. That's the ultimate tragedy of Anakin's story.
You're right. And if Mace Windu had NOT been such a constant jerk toward Anakin from the moment he laid eyes on him as a little boy, then Anakin might NOT have sliced off his arm when confronted with the choice of betrayal or losing the knowledge to prevent his wife's death. And all would have been well. Palpatine would not have stood a chance against BOTH of them, and his defeat would have been total.
Palpatine did NOT lie when he told Anakin that the Jedi "... need you... more than you know."
He was secretly refering to Anakin's ability to defeat even HIM, and helping the Jedi avoid total destruction at the hands of the Sith.
Well the Jedi certainly did NOT do that... and look where it got them.
I say, Reject NOT the padawan with open contempt... especially when he demonstrates loyalty and bravery, and especially when you believe him to be the "Chosen One" who is destined to defeat the Sith and bring balance to The Force.
In short, it's a bad idea to reject your star player.
Yes... well I've learned that you could certainly benefit from a clearer understanding of the events of the STAR WARS saga. And that is something that I can happily provide... if you're interested.
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