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  • Hector
    el Hombre de Acero
    • May 19, 2003
    • 31852

    Darklord...you are gonna LOVE this!!!

    Monday Movie Buzz: Bale's Batman voice too much?

    Monday August 4 10:00 AM ET

    Though "The Dark Knight" has been a bona fide cultural event, boasting rave reviews and boffo box office, it hasn't been immune to criticism. Some have quibbled with its political undercurrents, and others have criticized a muddled theme.

    But here's the critique most widely held: Why does Batman talk like the offspring of Clint Eastwood and a grizzly bear?

    Donning the costume for the second time, Christian Bale has delved deeper into the lower registers. As Bruce Wayne, his voice is as smooth as his finely pressed suits. But once he puts the cape on, the transformation of his vocal chords is just as dramatic as his costume change.

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    Particularly when his rage boils over, Bale's Batman growls in an almost beastly fashion, reflecting how close he teeters between do-gooder and vengeance-crazed crusader.

    "The Dark Knight" hauled in $43.8 million to rank as Hollywood's top movie for the third straight weekend, fending off "The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor" which opened a close second with $42.5 million. It has earned $394.9 million in just 17 days, according to studio estimates Sunday.

    Though much of the voice effect is Bale's own doing, under the guidance of director Christopher Nolan and supervising sound editor Richard King, the frequency of his Batman voice was modulated to exaggerate the effect.

    Critics and fans have noticed.

    "His Batman rasps his lines in a voice that's deeper and hammier than ever," said NPR's David Edelstein.

    The New Yorker's David Denby praised the urgency of Bale's Batman, but lamented that he "delivers his lines in a hoarse voice with an unvarying inflection."

    Reviewing the film for MSNBC, Alonso Duralde wrote that Bale's Batman in "Batman Begins" "sounded absurdly deep, like a 10-year-old putting on an `adult' voice to make prank phone calls. This time, Bale affects an eerie rasp, somewhat akin to Brenda Vaccaro doing a Miles Davis impression."

    Before the similes run too far afield, it's worth considering where the concept of a throaty Batman comes from.

    In his portrayal on the `60s "Batman" TV series, Adam West didn't alter his voice between Bruce Wayne and Batman. Decades later when Tim Burton brought "Batman" to the big screen in a much darker incarnation, Michael Keaton's inflection was notably but not considerably different from one to the other.

    But it was a lesser-known actor who, a few years after Burton's film, made perhaps the most distinct imprint on Batman's voice. Kevin Conroy, as the voice of the animated Batman in various projects from 1992's "Batman: The Animated Series" right up until this year's "Batman: Gotham Knight," brought a darker, raspier vocalization to Batman.

    Conroy has inhabit the role longer than anyone else and though animated voice-over work doesn't have the same cachet as feature film acting, there are quarters where Conroy is viewed as the best Batman of them all certainly superior to Val Kilmer or George Clooney.

    The animated series are notable because they drew on the DC Comics of Batman as envisioned by Frank Miller, whose work heavily informs "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight." (Bale and Nolan were unavailable to comment for this story.)

    As Batman has gotten darker, his voice has gotten deeper. As some critics suggest, Bale and "The Dark Knight" may have reached a threshold, at least audibly.


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  • huedell
    Museum Ball Eater
    • Dec 31, 2003
    • 11069

    #2
    A "Brenda Vacarro" reference?
    Hey!
    "No. No no no no no no. You done got me talkin' politics. I didn't wanna'. Like I said y'all, I'm just happy to be alive. I think I'll scoot over here right by this winda', let this beautiful carriage rock me to sleep, and dream about how lucky I am." - Chris Mannix

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    • Mikey
      Verbose Member
      • Aug 9, 2001
      • 47258

      #3
      This time, Bale affects an eerie rasp, somewhat akin to Brenda Vaccaro doing a Miles Davis impression

      That sounds like something Dennis Miller would say

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      • Earth 2 Chris
        Verbose Member
        • Mar 7, 2004
        • 32932

        #4
        I saw DK the second time with my friend Bobby, the first Saturday it was out. Just late last week he told me his one minor gripe was Bale overdid the Bat-voice. I told him he wasn't alone, and several folks online felt the same.

        Again, it didn't really bother me at all, and I don't think he changed it up much from Begins. I need to watch the two back-to-back to be sure. The only place I thought it seemed very forced was at the end, right after the action climax with the Joker. When he's yelling at the Joker, the voice seems very exaggerated. But on that second viewing, I noticed he winced in pain and breathed heavily, indicating he was catching his breath and projecting. Not saying it wasn't still a bit forced, but it made sense at least.

        Either way, I bet there is enough buzz that Bales dials it back again if he plays the role again.

        It's probably a back-handed compliment that folks are nit-picking something in a movie. At least people care enough to think about it beyond the theater.


        Oh and one more thing:
        The animated series are notable because they drew on the DC Comics of Batman as envisioned by Frank Miller, whose work heavily informs "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight."
        I will agree that "Begins" and "Dark Knight' borrowed elements from Miller's Batman, but BTAS drew far more from the Batman comics of the 70s by O'Neil, Adams, Englehart, Rogers and their contemporaries than it did Frank Miller. Mainstream media likes to make like Batman was still doing the Bat-tusi in comics until Miller rode to the rescue.

        Chris


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        Last edited by Earth 2 Chris; Aug 4, '08, 2:23 PM.
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        • Hector
          el Hombre de Acero
          • May 19, 2003
          • 31852

          #5
          The only time the voice really bothered me is when Batman is talking like that to Morgan Freeman's character. Why??? Lucius Fox already knows who he is. Why does Bruce Wayne keep talking like that to Fox???
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          • Earth 2 Chris
            Verbose Member
            • Mar 7, 2004
            • 32932

            #6
            The only time the voice really bothered me is when Batman is talking like that to Morgan Freeman's character. Why??? Lucius Fox already knows who he is. Why does Bruce Wayne keep talking like that to Fox???
            I think Bale has a rule for the character where, if he's in the costume, he uses the voice. The depth and "rage" of the voice varies on whether he's talking to a friend or foe.

            Chris
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            • Hulk
              Mayor of Megoville
              • May 10, 2003
              • 16007

              #7
              He probably does it because the batsuit is crushing his nuts and the cowl is pressing on his nasal passages in such a way that he just can't help it.


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              • Raydeen1
                Persistent Member
                • May 23, 2008
                • 1036

                #8
                Originally posted by Hulk
                He probably does it because the batsuit is crushing his nuts and the cowl is pressing on his nasal passages in such a way that he just can't help it.

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                • kingdom warrior
                  OH JES!!
                  • Jul 21, 2005
                  • 12478

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Hulk
                  He probably does it because the batsuit is crushing his nuts and the cowl is pressing on his nasal passages in such a way that he just can't help it.

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                  • toys2cool
                    Ultimate Mego Warrior
                    • Nov 27, 2006
                    • 28605

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Hulk
                    He probably does it because the batsuit is crushing his nuts and the cowl is pressing on his nasal passages in such a way that he just can't help it.
                    lmao!! i would'nt doubt it,look how tight that thing is
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                    • Meule
                      Verbose Member
                      • Nov 14, 2004
                      • 28720

                      #11
                      Some people have to ***** about everything, don't they
                      "...The agony of my soul found vent in one loud, long and final scream of despair..." - Edgar Allan Poe

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                      • thunderbolt
                        Hi Ernie!!!
                        • Feb 15, 2004
                        • 34211

                        #12
                        The disguised voice makes perfect sense to me. Bruce Wayne is a very public figure, if he just used his regular old foppish rich guy voice someone would recognize it. SO he just goes over the top with the Bat voice to confuse others and scare the crap out of them.
                        You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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                        • Earth 2 Chris
                          Verbose Member
                          • Mar 7, 2004
                          • 32932

                          #13
                          The disguised voice makes perfect sense to me. Bruce Wayne is a very public figure, if he just used his regular old foppish rich guy voice someone would recognize it. SO he just goes over the top with the Bat voice to confuse others and scare the crap out of them.
                          Amen brother. To me it's a choice that works well on screen to distinguish the two halves of the character, just like Chris Reeve's oafish, bumbling Clark Kent. Some folks have a hard time with that, but you know what, it actually makes the conceit work.

                          Chris
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                          • darklord1967
                            Persistent Member
                            • Mar 27, 2008
                            • 1570

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Hector
                            Monday Movie Buzz: Bale's Batman voice too much?

                            Monday August 4 10:00 AM ET

                            But here's the critique most widely held: Why does Batman talk like the offspring of Clint Eastwood and a grizzly bear?



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                            Particularly when his rage boils over, Bale's Batman growls in an almost beastly fashion, reflecting how close he teeters between do-gooder and vengeance-crazed crusader.


                            Critics and fans have noticed.


                            "His Batman rasps his lines in a voice that's deeper and hammier than ever," said NPR's David Edelstein.



                            As Michael Caine said in The Dark Knight: "I hate to say I told you so... but I did bloddy tell you."


                            I didn't respond to this thread immediately, because I was out all day yesterday working, and then I actually went to see the film for the second time last night with my wife.

                            Oy.

                            Look, I still love the film, and I think it's an amazing achievement. Let me say that up front.

                            But I'm sorry to say that the issue with Christian Bale's Batman voice was actually worse than I remembered from my first viewing.

                            With the film now being out for a couple of weeks, the audiences are made up of more and more casual film-goers and less die-hard Bat-fans. By and large, my audience liked the film and some of them even applauded at the end.

                            However...

                            During the screening, I was actually hearing folks giggling in the theater at the absurdity of Bale's over-done Batman voice.

                            And when the film was over, and folks were making their way out of the theater, I heard two comments along the lines of: "What was up with Batman's voice?"

                            During the ride home, my wife (a 36 year-old life-long Bat fan) even commented that in some Batman scenes, Bale sounded like a kid who was trying to "role play" and sound like an adult.

                            And then, of course, I come home and read this thread, including this quote:


                            Originally posted by Hector
                            Reviewing the film for MSNBC, Alonso Duralde wrote that Bale's Batman in "Batman Begins" "sounded absurdly deep, like a 10-year-old putting on an `adult' voice to make prank phone calls. This time, Bale affects an eerie rasp, somewhat akin to Brenda Vaccaro doing a Miles Davis impression."

                            I nearly peed my pants laughing.





                            Originally posted by Earth 2 Chris
                            Amen brother. To me it's a choice that works well on screen to distinguish the two halves of the character, just like Chris Reeve's oafish, bumbling Clark Kent. Some folks have a hard time with that, but you know what, it actually makes the conceit work.

                            Chris

                            Those of us that take issue with Bale's Batman voice, have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with the concept of two different voices to separate the Batman and Bruce Wayne personas. OF COURSE it makes perfect sense.

                            The problem is (in the opinion of a growing number of folks), The Batman's voice was un-necessarily cartoonish, melodramatic, and forced in this film.

                            Before you call this "nit-picking" consider this: For the folks like myself where the voice is an issue, Bale's (borderline) absurdly comical delivery pulls us right out of the drama. That is not a good thing.

                            I doubt very much that ANYONE here (even among the defenders of Bale's Batman voice) can say that they EVER found Kevin Conroy's Batman voice distracting... even in a bigger theatrical release like 1993's animated Batman: Mask of the Phantasm.

                            My suggestion was (and remains) that Bale's Bruce Wayne voice should have been appropriately JOVIAL (and it most certainly WAS), so that The Batman voice could just be presented as an UNDERSTATED menacing hiss... one that is used sparingly.

                            Voila. Two SEPARATE personas beautifully established.

                            During the Joker's jail cell interrogation by The Batman, it is PURELY Heath Ledger's acting that rescues that scene. Bale was so over-the top and out of control (not only with his grating voice but with his actual GRUNTING) that it was laughable. Yeah. I say again. LAUGHABLE.

                            Speaking of that scene, will someone please explain to me why is it that Gordon goes in to interrogate The Joker and the cell is dark and starkly lit. But then, just before he leaves the cell, he CLICKS ON THE LIGHT so that a man dressed in an absurd bat-suit (and who designed his persona to STICK TO THE SHADOWS) can be seen in BRIGHT NEON LIGHTING beating up a clown?

                            The whole thing looked odd. As a Batman fan I would have loved to have seen the SAME interrogation scene staged with the stark lighting of the single overhead light. Doesn't THAT make more sense for a movie called The DARK Knight? For pity's sakes.

                            Just imagine how COOL it would have been that when Gordon leaves the room he DOES NOT turn on the light. Suddenly something in the darkness snatches The Joker and hurls him across the room. The villain's body hits the overhead light in the process, and it swings from side to side. Now The Batman is only seen in brief shadowy snatches of swinging light during the interrogation.

                            Unfortunately, that NOT what we got. Combined with Bale's over the top acting, that scene (as it turned out) is definitely one of my "oy" moments. Again, it's purely Ledger's acting that carries the moment.

                            But I digress...
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                            • Hector
                              el Hombre de Acero
                              • May 19, 2003
                              • 31852

                              #15
                              I knew that would get you going, lol.

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