West Vs Bale Vs Keaton Vs Kilmer Vs Clooney!

[Hector]

I loved Batman Dead End, but trust me, if I were a villain in a mob gang, and he came up to my crew, I'd pump him so full of lead you'd be picking him up with magnets.

[Hector]

I do, however, have a pretty good grasp of the character's history throughout various mediums and (obviously) a very strong opinion of what does and doesn't work regarding his live-action portrayal.

I do too...it's not exactly quantum physics, you know.

[Hulk]

I loved Batman Dead End, but trust me, if I were a villain in a mob gang, and he came up to my crew, I'd pump him so full of lead you'd be picking him up with magnets.

[darklord1967]

Just Playing devils advocate here. . . .but Indy and the Jumper dude, are just out there doing what they do. . .not expecting to be shot at very 5 mins in the normal course of their lives. They don't go out there to fight bad guys.

But they DO fight bad guys... whether they expect to or not. And they DO get shot get shot at... VERY often. They get into and out of scrapes by the skin of their teeth without relying on armor to protect them.

James Bond is a Spy and is supposed to blend in. . .hard to do in armour.

The Batman is a dark stealthy vigilante who is supposed to be agile and quick... hard to do in armor.

And McLean from die Hard. . .an average Joe out there going about his business when trouble happens along.

Yes and he is also a COP. He goes out LOOKING for bad guys and gets shot at regularly. It's his job. But he doesn't strike me as the kevlar vest wearing type (like his law-enforcement comrades) even in routine police situations.

All of the above carry guns themeselves and are NOT BILLIONAIRES with the UNLIMITED resources of their own multinational corporation of high tech componentry, to draw on. . . and goes out with the sole intent to hunt down and capture The real bad nasty psychos and killers tat Batman does.

You're right. And none of them are highly-trained martial artists that spent years developing all of their fighting (and stealth) techniques from masters all throughout the Far East. None of them are the experts of hand to hand combat that The Batman is. None of them use the shadows as a weapon. None of them inspire primal fear with their terrifying appearance.

So it comes down to resource availability and intended action when going out for a night on the town.

Once again you're right. I just believe that Bruce Wayne's greatest "resources" is his crime fighting are his wits, his specialized combat training, and the advantage he has over cowards when he turns their own superstitious FEAR against them... using frightening BAT iconography.

To me, The Batman's greatest weapons have NEVER been his gadgets. He's a more important... indeed a more dignified character than that.

"Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot. My disguise must strike FEAR into their hearts. It must be terrible... a creature of the night. That's it! It's an omen. I shall become a BAT."

BUT - I completely respect your argument and point of view. . .just thinking through he question you asked is all.

Thanks buddy. And please don't think (despite my opinionated stance on this) that I disrespect the opposing viewpoint. I do NOT. I simply vehemently disagree with it.

[darklord1967]

I get it...I'm not a reta*rd, dude.

I said he looks the best...I didn't say that would be an effective costume for today's movies.

Perhaps you should replace Chris Nolan for the third installment since you seem to be the number one authority on anything Batman.

Ooh. Touchy, touchy. No need to get upset, hermano. I was just yankin' yer chain is all. It's all in good fun. I'm sorry if I offended.

I certainly wasn't implying that you were a "ret@rd" or that I was any kind of "authority on anything Batman".

I do, however, have a pretty good grasp of the character's history throughout various mediums and (obviously) a very strong opinion of what does and doesn't work regarding his live-action portrayal.

[Hector]

NOW he gets it! Dios Mio!

I get it...I'm not a reta*rd, dude.

I said he looks the best...I didn't say that would be an effective costume for today's movies.

Perhaps you should replace Chris Nolan for the third installment since you seem to be the number one authority on anything Batman.

[AUSSIE-Rebooted-AMM]

darklord1967
If NO ARMOR is needed by Indiana Jones, James Bond, or that "Transporter" dude (who runs around in a suit while being shot at by multiple guys in BROAD DAYLIGHT) then why in the hell does The Batman need armor???

I wish one of you pro-armor guys would address that simple question.

Just Playing devils advocate here. . . .but Indy and the Jumper dude, are just out there doing what they do. . .not expecting to be shot at very 5 mins in the normal course of their lives. They don't go out there to fight bad guys.

James Bond is a Spy and is supposed to blend in. . .hard to do in armour. And McLean from die Hard. . .an average Joe out there going about his business when trouble happens along.

All of the above carry guns themeselves and are NOT BILLIONAIRES with the UNLIMITED resources of their own multinational corporation of high tech componentry, to draw on. . . and goes out with the sole intent to hunt down and capture The real bad nasty psychos and killers tat Batman does.

So it comes down to resource availability and intended action when going out for a night on the town.

BUT - I completely respect your argument and point of view. . .just thinking through he question you asked is all.

[Raydeen1]

I always thought Thomas/Meule was pretty good in the role! Sorry Thomas. . .i found the Pics!

http://megomuseum.com/albums/Aussies-Pics/AdamWestBatCowlThomasII.sized.jpg

http://megomuseum.com/albums/Aussies...sBatBombII.jpg

Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!

[toys2cool]

I always thought Thomas/Meule was pretty good in the role! Sorry Thomas. . .i found the Pics!

http://megomuseum.com/albums/Aussies-Pics/AdamWestBatCowlThomasII.sized.jpg

http://megomuseum.com/albums/Aussies...sBatBombII.jpg

lmao! uhh... man that's hilarious

[darklord1967]

Yeah, I forgotten about the Dead End Batman...that's the best-looking one of them all.

NOW he gets it! Dios Mio!

[AUSSIE-Rebooted-AMM]

I always thought Thomas/Meule was pretty good in the role! Sorry Thomas. . .i found the Pics!

[darklord1967]

Then why wasn't the armor used in the comics? Batman is written in a realistic setting..... even the DC guys know that suit blows and takes away the Idea that Batman is vunerable and just Human. I mean come on he's taken shots dead on like he's Superman. In the comics villans don't even have that opportunity he snuffs them before they know what hits them........


The suit was designed because Keaton couldn't meet the physical requirements for Batman also when shooting stunts so it could blend with Keaton's shots......and again to sell millions of high tech Batman figure variations.....

You're a man of superior intelligence, my friend, and we certainly see eye to eye on this issue.

It's like I said before, that "Bat-Robocop" armor nonsense does NOT make The Batman more "realistic" in live action film, and dressing him in it was NOT an attempt to make him more "realistic" either.

Expecting "realism" in what is essentially a comic book movie thriller is pretty pointless. The things the Batman does are not "realistic"... whether its on film or on the comic book page.

If you want to talk about "realistic logic", it seems to me that wearing the armor only weighs The Batman down, makes him awkward and clumsy, and makes him an easier target. More importantly, it just makes speed and stealth (two of The Batman's greatest weapons) that much more difficult for him to use effectively.

Armor goes against the very dramatic idea of The Batman. It's a trapeze artist... who only works with a friggin' NET!

The Batman is far, far better than that, people.

If NO ARMOR is needed by Indiana Jones, James Bond, or that "Transporter" dude (who runs around in a suit while being shot at by multiple guys in BROAD DAYLIGHT) then why in the hell does The Batman need armor???

I wish one of you pro-armor guys would address that simple question.

Those other movie chartacters operate on virtually the same level of action film "realism" as Batman... which is to say fantasy-action movie realism.

Dressing The movie Batman in armor has NEVER, EVER, EVER had anything to do with making the character more "realistic". It had to do with bulking-up the first inadequately built actor (Michael Keaton) who played the character in a big-budget live action film AND it had to do with selling action figures. Period.

Sand Collora got it right. That is THE FINEST live action version of The Batman that's ever been put on film. The look of the costume is perfect, The voice is right on the money, And THAT guy would look just fine wearing a suit as Bruce Wayne, without looking like a dressed-up Hulk (as was previously suggested).

I've seen very athletically built guys dress in a suit and not look overly bulky at all. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson comes to mind.

[toys2cool]

There's no way Batman could get away with tights in this movie,he needs taht body armor and I like it

[thunderbolt]

They could have at least gotten the color right on the armor. It'd still work with dark grey and black.

[kingdom warrior]

I was hoping the rubber suit would go away in Begins, BUT Nolan and company sold me on the need for it. In this take, which is as realistic as any take on Batman can ever be, it makes no sense for him to run around in tights. And as good as the Dead End Batman looked, imagine that guy as Bruce Wayne. He'd looke like the Hulk in a business suit.

Bale has the lithe build of Neal Adams' Batman. And in many ways, the portrayl of Batman in Begins and Dark Knight is more like the 70s Batman, since he does actually show compassion which the modern Batman of the last 10 years or so rarely does.

Chris

Then why wasn't the armor used in the comics? Batman is written in a realistic setting..... even the DC guys know that suit blows and takes away the Idea that Batman is vunerable and just Human. I mean come on he's taken shots dead on like he's Superman. In the comics villans don't even have that opportunity he snuffs them before they know what hits them........


The suit was designed because Keaton couldn't meet the physical requirements for Batman also when shooting stunts so it could blend with Keaton's shots......and again to sell millions of high tech Batman figure variations.....