West Vs Bale Vs Keaton Vs Kilmer Vs Clooney!

[Hector]

I loved Batman Dead End, but trust me, if I were a villain in a mob gang, and he came up to my crew, I'd pump him so full of lead you'd be picking him up with magnets.

[darklord1967]

I loved Batman Dead End, but trust me, if I were a villain in a mob gang, and he came up to my crew, I'd pump him so full of lead you'd be picking him up with magnets.

You'd never even get a shot off. He'd likely have you disarmed, wimpering in pain, and in deep shock well before you could even pull the trigger.

I hear it's pretty tough to aim a gun accurately when your wrist is broken or when your eye has been put out by a well-thrown razor-sharp Bat-a-rang.

[The Bat]

I was hoping the rubber suit would go away in Begins, BUT Nolan and company sold me on the need for it. In this take, which is as realistic as any take on Batman can ever be, it makes no sense for him to run around in tights. And as good as the Dead End Batman looked, imagine that guy as Bruce Wayne. He'd looke like the Hulk in a business suit.

Bale has the lithe build of Neal Adams' Batman. And in many ways, the portrayl of Batman in Begins and Dark Knight is more like the 70s Batman, since he does actually show compassion which the modern Batman of the last 10 years or so rarely does.

Chris

Um Yup....what Chris said!! You nailed it again Brother!

[Earth 2 Chris]

The armor isn't used in the comics because comics is a different medium. If Batman is facing a guy with a gun in the comics. The artist can draw the villain firing the gun point blank at Batman in one panel, and in the next Batman can have dodged said gunfire and punch the villain taking him out. Comics can "cheat" the in-between moments more easily than a movie. Sure a director or cinematagrapher can cut away like a comic artist, but the audience will fill much more cheated than the comic reader will.

And visually, if Batman were to be drawn with the armor in the comics, he would look like Iron Man next to the other DC characters. Sure DC says Batman has all that kevlar, etc. under his suit, but his costume is as thin as Superman's painted on duds. In comics, every muscle, every ab, ever rib shows. Even someone with a monsterous build like Clark Batram in Dead End doesn't show every single vein and muscle like comics depict.

Most movie audiences expect a level of realism comic fans don't. Comic fans accept that Batman can jump into a hail of bulletts unscathed, and he won't be killed or mortally wounded. Most movie audiences would laugh at this in a movie trying to be as realistic as possible. So the armor makes the concept easier to swallow to a more discerning audience. Us comic fans will pretty much accept anything as long as its established up front. In a universe of multiple earths, intergalactic policemen, and New Gods, a guy who is REALLY good at avoiding bullets isn't much of a stretch.

Chris

[The Bat]

VERY well explained Chris!!

[Mego Milk]

West
Conroy
Bale
Keaton
Kilmer
Clooney
Me

[HardyGirl]

West
Conroy
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Keaton
Kilmer
Clooney
Me
http://megomuseum.com/mmgallery/file.../AFBatman2.jpg

Oh that's great! Where was this taken, and who's playing Robin?

[Mego Milk]

We were at Wizard World Chicago 2006.
Robin is my Tiny Titans partner Franco.

AW YEAH DARK KNIGHT!

[Hector]

The armor isn't used in the comics because comics is a different medium. If Batman is facing a guy with a gun in the comics. The artist can draw the villain firing the gun point blank at Batman in one panel, and in the next Batman can have dodged said gunfire and punch the villain taking him out. Comics can "cheat" the in-between moments more easily than a movie. Sure a director or cinematagrapher can cut away like a comic artist, but the audience will fill much more cheated than the comic reader will.

And visually, if Batman were to be drawn with the armor in the comics, he would look like Iron Man next to the other DC characters. Sure DC says Batman has all that kevlar, etc. under his suit, but his costume is as thin as Superman's painted on duds. In comics, every muscle, every ab, ever rib shows. Even someone with a monsterous build like Clark Batram in Dead End doesn't show every single vein and muscle like comics depict.

Most movie audiences expect a level of realism comic fans don't. Comic fans accept that Batman can jump into a hail of bulletts unscathed, and he won't be killed or mortally wounded. Most movie audiences would laugh at this in a movie trying to be as realistic as possible. So the armor makes the concept easier to swallow to a more discerning audience. Us comic fans will pretty much accept anything as long as its established up front. In a universe of multiple earths, intergalactic policemen, and New Gods, a guy who is REALLY good at avoiding bullets isn't much of a stretch.

Chris

Dude, you are consistently turning in the best and most logical posts on this thread.

[Hector]

I always thought Thomas/Meule was pretty good in the role! Sorry Thomas. . .i found the Pics!

http://megomuseum.com/albums/Aussies-Pics/AdamWestBatCowlThomasII.sized.jpg

http://megomuseum.com/albums/Aussies...sBatBombII.jpg

[Vortigern99]

For little kids who like Batman, there are the animated shows and movies, (Kevin Conroy). Many adults love this version also, since it's fairly light, shaded with just a hint of grittiness, and is mostly true to the comics character as written in the 70-90s.

For even younger little tots, there is the 60s TV show and its movie (Adam West), which are hokey but funny for adults. When I was 6 years old, before I started reading the comics, I didn't notice all the campy tongue-in-cheek; for me, Adam West WAS Batman.

But I started reading the comics when I was 7 or so, and I couldn't help notice that here were two different conceptions of Batman: One "humanized" character with a full range of realistic emotions and thought processes, and the kinds of "detective" storylines that seemed plausible in his world; and the other a live-action cartoon, a two-dimensional archetype. This latter, the Adam West version, works on its own terms and for its own satirical purposes, but it is not true to the character or stories as depicted in the comics since about 1969.

Christian Bale's portrayal IS true to that Batman. Sure, he's got the armor and the high-tech gadgetry that have been a growing staple of the movie versions, but the character itself -- the man in the cape and cowl, as played by Bale -- IS the comics character as written by Dennis O'Neill, Chuck Dixon, Jim Starlin, Frank Miller and others since the 1970s.

Not everyone knows this character, perhaps having never read the comics of the last 40 years, or never understanding what makes him so special and unique. There is, after all, room for other, more kid-friendly and just as "legitimate" conceptions of the Caped Crusader.

But the makers of BB and TDK, including Bale, understand the Batman of the comics, and bring him to life, finally and indelibly, in the last two films. If it's this Batman you're looking for, then BB sets up, and TDK represents the peak of, what's possible in a live-action film version of the DC Comics Batman.

If you're looking for light adventure and black-and-white superheroism, then the Bruce Timm animated shows and movies are the way to go.

I look at it this way,

West's Batman was very juvenile .... But that's how Superheroes are supposed to be.

Superheroes were MADE for kids .....

It's only this generation that grown-ups starting liking Heroes and demanding they have more character.... Which I think just made them more laughable.

When I see West's Batman I smile and feel good.

When I see newer Batman's I feel like i'm watching a serial killer crime drama.
Isn't there enough serial killer crime drama's out there ?

I miss the days when Hero shows/movies were made for kids --- but adults liked them too
That was their appeal...

Why make a Hero movie that you can't take your kids to ?
And if you did, they'd either be frightened by it, or wouldn't understand it -- or both.


Just my opinion

[Raydeen1]

The armor isn't used in the comics because comics is a different medium. If Batman is facing a guy with a gun in the comics. The artist can draw the villain firing the gun point blank at Batman in one panel, and in the next Batman can have dodged said gunfire and punch the villain taking him out. Comics can "cheat" the in-between moments more easily than a movie. Sure a director or cinematagrapher can cut away like a comic artist, but the audience will fill much more cheated than the comic reader will.

And visually, if Batman were to be drawn with the armor in the comics, he would look like Iron Man next to the other DC characters. Sure DC says Batman has all that kevlar, etc. under his suit, but his costume is as thin as Superman's painted on duds. In comics, every muscle, every ab, ever rib shows. Even someone with a monsterous build like Clark Batram in Dead End doesn't show every single vein and muscle like comics depict.

Most movie audiences expect a level of realism comic fans don't. Comic fans accept that Batman can jump into a hail of bulletts unscathed, and he won't be killed or mortally wounded. Most movie audiences would laugh at this in a movie trying to be as realistic as possible. So the armor makes the concept easier to swallow to a more discerning audience. Us comic fans will pretty much accept anything as long as its established up front. In a universe of multiple earths, intergalactic policemen, and New Gods, a guy who is REALLY good at avoiding bullets isn't much of a stretch.

Chris

This holds no water. There is NOBODY going to see the Batman movies who doesn't kow something about him. He is ingrained in the average movie going public's minds. The bat armor is completely unneccessary. The 89 movie had the best look as it looked like just muscles, not Iron Man ans was understated and they made a point of saying it was body armor. NOBODY walked out of that movie disbelieving it was such. It's a cop out at best.

[HardyGirl]

Unbelievable!

My 79 yr. old mother is at this moment in her room watching the Clooney Batman movie! She never had any interest in Batman before. I guess she's curious about the upcoming film, and of course she's seen my renewed interest in the 60s series and Mego figures.

She about died when I brought my Megos into her room so they could keep her company while she watched! "I don't want those in here, get 'em out!"

[toys2cool]

My 79 yr. old mother is at this moment in her room watching the Clooney Batman movie! She never had any interest in Batman before. I guess she's curious about the upcoming film, and of course she's seen my renewed interest in the 60s series and Mego figures.

She about died when I brought my Megos into her room so they could keep her company while she watched! "I don't want those in here, get 'em out!"

lol! not the best movie too watch to get her into Batman..Unless she likes Clooney

I was watching it today and after watching Dark knight I forgot how crappy that thing was

[AUSSIE-Rebooted-AMM]

HardyGirl
I brought my Megos into her room so they could keep her company while she watched! "I don't want those in here, get 'em out!"

Your gran hadn't recently watched Barbarella had she?