Everything Cancelled!!! Literally!!

[Werewolf]

follow the directions of health experts and listen to what President Trump and his team of people are saying,

Better yet just listen to health experts. Things are really bad right now because of the President's slow response. Not hopeless but we need to be realistic.

[TrekStar]

I will also say something else about all this, the media is making it sound like the world is going to come to an end. Yes, we need to take precautions and keep good hygiene and watch the elderly and follow the directions of health experts and listen to what President Trump and his team of people are saying, I’m sick and tired of hearing different views from news media saying this and that, it’s like they want to start a nation wide panic, it’s like their job to be negative and now the stock market is down and I just heard the media is comparing it to the 1929 stock market crash.

I am a caregiver taking care of my mother who is 83 and has Alzheimer’s and for cryin out loud I’m afraid to kiss her forehead and give her a hug because I am listening to all the media hype about the elderly getting this virus and I may have it and not know it and unknowingly give it to her and it can kill her?

Remember what FDR said, “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself”

[TrekStar]

It's not a lab experiment or terrorist act.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...s/summary.html

Thank you for that link, it’s good to understand these things. I did do some more research and found out about China’s wet markets which to me personally is absolutely disgusting and it’s been going on for a long time.

And as far as a terrorist act, I know it’s not, but this virus is hurting our economy and people are losing there jobs and it’s almost like saying, we can’t beat America in a war, but if we can cause some epidemic inside the country and badly hurt the economy it’s like a win.

[libby 1957dog]

just saw this looks promising ,dont want to build anybodys hope up unrealistically but this is trialed and could be ready to roll out and at least offer some hope to many

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china

Medical authorities in China have said a drug used in Japan to treat new strains of influenza appeared to be effective in coronavirus patients, Japanese media said on Wednesday.

Zhang Xinmin, an official at China’s science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients.

“It has a high degree of safety and is clearly effective in treatment,” Zhang told reporters on Tuesday.

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Patients who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, compared with a median of 11 days for those who were not treated with the drug, public broadcaster NHK said.

In addition, X-rays confirmed improvements in lung condition in about 91% of the patients who were treated with favipiravir, compared to 62% or those without the drug.

Fujifilm Toyama Chemical, which developed the drug – also known as Avigan – in 2014, has declined to comment on the claims.

Shares in the firm surged on Wednesday following Zhang’s comments, closing the morning up 14.7% at 5,207 yen, having briefly hit their daily limit high of 5,238 yen.

Doctors in Japan are using the same drug in clinical studies on coronavirus patients with mild to moderate symptoms, hoping it will prevent the virus from multiplying in patients.

But a Japanese health ministry source suggested the drug was not as effective in people with more severe symptoms. “We’ve given Avigan to 70 to 80 people, but it doesn’t seem to work that well when the virus has already multiplied,” the source told the Mainichi Shimbun.

The same limitations had been identified in studies involving coronavirus patients using a combination of the HIV antiretrovirals lopinavir and ritonavir, the source added.

In 2016, the Japanese government supplied favipiravir as an emergency aid to counter the Ebola virus outbreak in Guinea.

Favipiravir would need government approval for full-scale use on Covid-19 patients, since it was originally intended to treat flu.

A health official told the Mainichi the drug could be approved as early as May. “But if the results of clinical research are delayed, approval could also be delayed.”

[YoungOnce]

Your last sentence of your post is really well worded. Thank you!

Yet ironically....

Sorry Hedji, I couldn't resist.

[Hedji]

The Chinese wet markets are a hell scape filled to overflowing with all kinds of wildlife, like bats, mixed in with house pets like cats and dogs kept in horrific conditions in various stages of sick, dead and dying. Sadly, there's nothing there rest of the world can really do about it. We can't control a closed dictatorship like China. We can control how we will deal with future pandemics and not be so grossly under prepared and glacially slow to act.

I can't even bear to think about it. Thank you for explaining it so that I don't have to research it. Your last sentence of your post is really well worded. Thank you!

[MRP]

I did, I missed the update.

There were conflicting reports as I went to bed last night, so I tuned in the local news first thing this morning to see if I needed to go vote today or not, so didn't make the wasted trip.

-M

[PNGwynne]

I did, I missed the update.

[thunderbolt]

Great link, WW.

It appears the Ohio primary election is proceeding as scheduled.

hope you didn't go try to vote.

[Werewolf]

The Chinese wet markets are a hell scape filled to overflowing with all kinds of wildlife, like bats, mixed in with house pets like cats and dogs kept in horrific conditions in various stages of sick, dead and dying. Sadly, there's nothing there rest of the world can really do about it. We can't control a closed dictatorship like China. We can control how we will deal with future pandemics and not be so grossly under prepared and glacially slow to act.

[Hedji]

I don't think I have the fortitude to look at those wet market links.

Is there any chance there will be future preventative changes to not interact with certain animals?

[Wee67]

It's not a lab experiment or terrorist act.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...s/summary.html

Thanks for that link. Much more credible than what a friend of my second cousin says on Facebook.

Once you become aware of wet markets you wont be wondering how this happened. You will be surprised it has not happened more often. In the US we generally are behind in food safety in comparison to the stricter levels of Europe. But really nothing compares to the dystopian hell scape nightmare of Chinese wet markets.

During my visit to China last year, I was taken aback by wet markets and the street markets. Necessity has seemed to encourage people to pull almost anything out of the river and slice it up for a meal. I've experimented with all kinds of different cuisines (kangaroo in Australia, pigeon in Morocco, aged-under-rocks shark in Iceland, even the exotic Poutine!) but I have to admit squeamishness when it came to street meat in China.

Many pandemics and epidemics have their origins in viruses that have circulated between animals for years before making the species jump to humans. SARS, MERS, the Spanish Flu, even the Bubonic Plague originated with a species jump from animals to humans. This exchange dates back to when humans began domesticating animals for food and companionship and, consequently, spending a lot more time around those animals. We have yet to develop any resistance to the new-to-humans virus or disease. If that particular strain happens to also be easily transmitted... well, you get it.

EXTRA NERD NOTE- The Spanish Flu did NOT originate in Spain. It's not clear where it started but scientists think it MAY have started in Great Britain, the U.S. or, yes, you guessed it- China. It was assumed it came from Spain because that's where most of the early reporting came from there. Spain, who remained neutral during WWI, did not see many of the same war-time media censorship of other countries who wanted to lessen the severity to already war weary nations. Spain was free to fully report on all the gory details. Of course, reporting on it lead to accusations that simply reporting on it was sensationalizing the problem and, since the source of the reports were Iberian, it was assumed that the source of the disease was also Spain.

[Werewolf]

Once you become aware of wet markets you wont be wondering how this happened. You will be surprised it has not happened more often. In the US we generally are behind in food safety in comparison to the stricter levels of Europe. But really nothing compares to the dystopian hell scape nightmare of Chinese wet markets.

[hedrap]

It's a billion people. They've tried everything as a food dish. The crux of the problem is they don't have the processing standards the west and some of the other eastern countries have, so you have a cross-breeding of animal bacteria and viruses. If you want a dose of shock, go looks at pics and videos for wet markets. You have open cages of different animals stacked on each other. I didn't realize until this week how dangerous bird, especially duck, poop is. It's more bacteria and viruses than waste. So that gets dropped onto secondary animal, like a pig or something, and they eat it. Then people eat them...and here we are.

[libby 1957dog]

by the way I don’t think it’s racist to simply state that the origin of this virus is down to the extremely questionable open markets and the governments initial response to the outbreak.

No doubt some people could use that as a basis to further racist/xenophobic views but just stating that they need to make changes and accept some responsibility isn’t in my view any way unreasonable.
this video goes some way to explain the origins of this outbreak and the reasons for the rise of the wetmarkets