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  • Hector
    el Hombre de Acero
    • May 19, 2003
    • 31852

    #16
    Originally posted by MIB41
    Dwayne my friend, for the first 21 years of my life I thought I would do something in comics as a profession. I seriously thought these guys rolled in bucks. Then I got a call from Joe Kubert himself telling me I was accepted into his school after they saw my portfolio. I honestly thought I was on my way, so off I went to Dover, New Jersey for what I surely thought was the next chapter in my development. It was an experience for sure. I found out more than I wanted to know. So many of these brand name artists from Marvel and DC did this stuff ON THE SIDE. Many had other jobs and this was supplemental income. Then I had a class where people came in from all aspects of the art world to explain what they do and how they were making it. One day we had this artist come in that could paint photo real. This was back in the mid-80's before it became a more common place today. It blew my mind. I had never seen anything like it. I think this was the same day I found out most of my most beloved artists were not making it as well as I thought. Anyway, I asked him where he was working and how successful was he. His answer? " I'm currently unemployed." That was it. I was done and I knew it. I always thought (naively so) that I could draw comic panels for eight hours and go home with a nice paycheck. Not so. So many of these artists that are legends in this industry never made it in the financial realm like they did in the recognition arena. Fame does not equate to money. So I retired my dream and went back to Louisville and finally got my business degree in '91. A slow process to be sure because it was not tied to anything much that I loved at that point.

    So while I certainly don't have your incredible skill sets, you are far from the first person I have seen with amazing skill to not reap the benefits. It's wide spread and it's a crime, honestly. I remember seeing Bernie Wrightson...remember him and his incredible pen and ink of Frankenstein? Anyway, I asked him how that all came about and what a big job that must have been. Turns out the majority of that he was doing at home FOR NOTHING. He just had it in him to do it and started work on it. Finally someone saw a number of pages he had done and commissioned him to finish it. But it's not like he got rich off it. He just got paid like it was a normal job and he was done. The ongoing joke he always had with pals whenever I would see him for many years after was whether he had his power cut off at his apartment that year. A common problem he had in trying to make basic ends meet. So most artists are very much under appreciated, and always underpaid.

    Next time you get a chance, look around in your home at really anything - Your TV; Your vacuum; You VCR; Your coffee maker; Your keyboard; Your monitor; the chair you sit in. You know who designs those? Industrial designers. They are artists just like you as well. But they get paid to draw up this stuff. They don't know how to make it work. Engineers come in for that. But the artists design everything we touch today. Even medical devices. None of them get credit for THEIR designs because when they go to work for these companies, they sign away their rights to the company the day they start working for them. Their ideas belong to the company. In many cases, one of my friends (going back to my high school years), could not even include those pieces in his portfolio! And this guy did work for BIG companies like Coke, Sony, General Electric, and even Ford. So it never fails to sadden me when I hear this, but it's the cries I have seen throughout my life. All I can tell you my friend is you ARE very good and I think I speak for many of us when I say I never grow tired of seeing your amazing gifts and hope you will continue. You DO COUNT! Unfortunately companies don't want you to count it on your bottom line.
    I envy the way you write, I hate you, lol...
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    • enyawd72
      Maker of Monsters!
      • Oct 1, 2009
      • 7904

      #17
      ^Thanks very much for that Tom.

      I have no plans to put away my paints and brushes. A lot of my friends here have reached out to me today to tell me how much my art has meant to them, and that they hope I never give it up.
      There are many other forms of riches...somewhere along the way, I'd forgotten that.

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      • Hector
        el Hombre de Acero
        • May 19, 2003
        • 31852

        #18
        Don't give up on your art, you are bloody damn great at it...keep doing it because you love it as well, damn the monetary side of it...sure, it would be nice...but it shouldn't be your top priority...money should never be the motivator.

        Have you ever held a local art gallery of your work before?
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        • enyawd72
          Maker of Monsters!
          • Oct 1, 2009
          • 7904

          #19
          Originally posted by Hector
          Don't give up on your art, you are bloody damn great at it...keep doing it because you love it as well, damn the monetary side of it...sure, it would be nice...but it shouldn't be your top priority...money should never be the motivator.

          Have you ever held a local art gallery of your work before?
          Yeah, back a few years ago...and believe me Hector, money isn't and never was my top priority. Believe me, I have no allusions about getting rich off my art. All I ever wanted was to be able to do it full time and make a decent living off it...that's all.

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          • enyawd72
            Maker of Monsters!
            • Oct 1, 2009
            • 7904

            #20
            Originally posted by Magenta
            I know how you feel. I created Monster Cafe Saltillo with the hopes it would be flushed with customers. we get by but that is about it. I see other restaurants that are boring you would find in any city and they are full. It baffles my mind sometimes how people settle for crap.
            I find your post quite ironic, since you have used my artwork on your website and menu without my permission.

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            • hobub
              Ghost of a Dead Indian
              • Jun 18, 2001
              • 4778

              #21
              For me, I lost my enthusiasm when it became a job. It took a long while but the enthusiasm is returning. Be careful what you wish for. I used to work with a guy in Pittsburgh named Tom Scioli. I'm proud to mention him because he really wanted it like you. On his breaks and during lunch, he would be sketching away. He had all these stories in his head and even put a b/w book together and placed it for like 25c in the local comic store Eides. I left that place as a senior technical illustrator back in 2001 because I just couldn't support my family on the salary. We had a team of 8 artists. At least two are still there. Most of the guys were single. I had a family started. I moved into graphics and eventually stepped away because I just couldn't land that dream job due to my circumstances. In 03 I interviewed at Disney for a character artist position and they wanted me to intern. I had a family to support. They sent me some inking jobs for freelance and I decided to give up my dream and take a graphics position at the place I'm at now working IT. It's just circumstance above all. If you have the dream and the circumstances are right do not give up. Google my former colleague's name and see what that mad man did for himself. I'm sure with all the talent on these boards, you can find some inspiration. You will find your way. Don't give up. But be smart about the risk and way out the reward. If you cannot make a living at it now. Keep it as a hobby and you never know what may open up for you.
              Last edited by hobub; Jan 28, '16, 12:32 AM. Reason: Damn typos

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              • Hector
                el Hombre de Acero
                • May 19, 2003
                • 31852

                #22
                Originally posted by enyawd72
                I find your post quite ironic, since you have used my artwork on your website and menu without my permission.
                Yeah, that Monster Cafe dude is some piece of work, his place could possibly be a front for the local cartels, as Saltillo is nothing but a shady and corrupt town, politician, businessmen...and thugs...



                Makes you think why an American ended up there in the first place...Saltillo is not exactly the Mecca of the restaurant world..and I'm not out of line calling him a crook...as evidence of him stealing your art.
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                • hobub
                  Ghost of a Dead Indian
                  • Jun 18, 2001
                  • 4778

                  #23
                  Originally posted by enyawd72
                  I find your post quite ironic, since you have used my artwork on your website and menu without my permission.
                  That's pretty f'd up

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                  • Brazoo
                    Permanent Member
                    • Feb 14, 2009
                    • 4767

                    #24
                    I think you're very talented, and I think there's an audience for your work, but I think you probably need to be doing more to reach out and engage. I honestly think there's a ton of free resources and tools you're not taking advantage of. If you are doing these things already, I apologize. (Also, keep in mind I personally suck at all this stuff I'm about to list.)

                    1) Social media - I think you minimally need Facebook and Twitter. Get followers - people who take an interest in you - and I think you'll find them if you take that leap. You can also search and follow publications you're interested in working for. Follow editors or art directors who you want to work with, and hopefully they'll follow and take an interest in you too.

                    For Twitter all you have to do is post a pic of a Frankenstein painting (for example) and type a hashtag like this: "#frankenstein". You'll get followers with very little effort. Aside from just getting more of your work out there, I think people will have more interest in hiring you when they see you have a following.

                    2) Online portfolio - Not as important as social media, but I think to get freelance work you need an online portfolio. Nothing fancy, maybe just a free Wordpress blog-style site where you post your work. You could easily also set up a gallery with prices and hopefully make a few sales through that too.

                    3) Product - I think if people want your work, maybe you just need to think of different ways to sell it? Like, if people want to buy your paintings for $50 maybe they'll buy high quality digital prints of your paintings for $30?

                    Maybe you could even put together a nice print-on-demand book of your work? That way you could even feature photos of your models.

                    4) Conventions - Most comic and collectors conventions have cheaper tables for artists to set up and meet fans and sell their work. You also get to meet other artists and publishers. I'm not sure if you've tried this, but if you haven't why not?

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                    • hobub
                      Ghost of a Dead Indian
                      • Jun 18, 2001
                      • 4778

                      #25
                      And turn lemons into lemonade. If some ahole steals your art, use it as free advertising.

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                      • Brazoo
                        Permanent Member
                        • Feb 14, 2009
                        • 4767

                        #26
                        Oops - I see CrimsonGhost already suggested a couple of things I mentioned!

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                        • enyawd72
                          Maker of Monsters!
                          • Oct 1, 2009
                          • 7904

                          #27
                          ^Just recently joined Facebook...I've been on DeviantArt for several years, and even had a commissions page on the Shadowland Magazine website back when I was doing covers.

                          Didn't get a single inquiry in three years.

                          I've done a couple shows here and there...nothing really came of them either.

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                          • Brazoo
                            Permanent Member
                            • Feb 14, 2009
                            • 4767

                            #28
                            Originally posted by enyawd72
                            I find your post quite ironic, since you have used my artwork on your website and menu without my permission.
                            HAHAHAHA! Wow.

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                            • enyawd72
                              Maker of Monsters!
                              • Oct 1, 2009
                              • 7904

                              #29
                              Originally posted by hobub
                              And turn lemons into lemonade. If some ahole steals your art, use it as free advertising.
                              But I don't want people to associate my art with bad food and diarrhea...

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                              • hobub
                                Ghost of a Dead Indian
                                • Jun 18, 2001
                                • 4778

                                #30
                                Lol. Understood

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