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  • Adam West
    Museum CPA
    • Apr 14, 2003
    • 6822

    What would you do if you were me?

    I am having some major issues with the parent of one of the girls on my soccer team.

    I have always tried to be fair and give everyone equal playing time during the season. Last season, we entered a tournament and I asked the parents and kids, "We can either play to win or play everyone equally but if we play to win that means I'm going to place players in positions where they are stronger and some girls might not get as much playing time as others." Everyone wanted to play to win so I did what I said I would do. One of the girls is good, not great, but was having a terrible tournament and was doing things on the field that were killing us (ball hogging, tripping all over her feet,and just not playing up to par). During the last game of the first day, I gave her limited playing time because we had to win the game to advance or else go home. We did win but after the game the father walked over to me, started yelling at me in front of his daughter over her lack of playing time, and basically said that unless he received an email explaining myself, they would not be showing up for the remainder of the tournament.

    After discussing with the Asst. Coach, I decided to send an email and attempted to smooth things over as best as I could and without going into any detail regarding his daughter's horrible performance, re-stated that everyone wanted to play to win but assured him that I would give his daughter equal playing time the following day.

    He sent me a response the following morning that was beyond rude, questioned my coaching style, made negative comments about my daughter, etc. With great restraint, I did not respond to his email. The daughter did show up and I followed through with my commitment to play her.

    I really didn't want his daughter playing under me again but decided to rise above it and honor my commitment to coach (we generally keep the girls for two seasons unless the parent requests otherwise...he did not...so I chalked his email up to an emotionally charged situation. He never apologized to me and I don't mind the personal criticisms but when you start bringing people unrelated to the situation like my daughter, he had crossed the line).

    This season, we moved into a really competitive division and decided to only play goalkeepers who wanted to play the position and had the ability. Only 3 players expressed interest but only 2 are good enough to play at this level. One of them is his daughter...so far so good. I have been alternating the two of them so they play one half as goalie and the other half on the field trying to give them more playing time on the field since they volunteered to play goalie.

    Last night at practice, the girls says she no longer wants to play goalie. I told her she was doing a great job and didn't understand why she didn't want to play. She responded that her dad told her she doesn't want her playing the position anymore and wants her to play more on the field. I asked her if she liked playing goalie and she said "yes". The other goalie on the team likes playing but doesn't want to play 100% of the time and I really have no one else that is capable or wants to play the position (mainly because it is so competitive).

    I talked to my wife about it and her opinion is that if the father has a problem with it, he should talk to me about it and not relay the information through the daughter. In the meantime, her opinion is that I'm the coach and unless the daughter is scared of playing the position or really hates it, I should ignore the father and play her anyway. If the father has an issue he can speak to me directly, I can state my opinion and see if we can compromise. She said if he won't budge, that I should just tell him that I'm coaching the team and doing what I think is in the best interest of everyone involved. If he doesn't like it, he can volunteer to coach a team in the fall and we can make arrangements to move his daughter to another team for the remainder of the season.

    That's my wife's viewpoint anyway. She knows how much time I spend doing this thankless job and what a difficult and unreasonable person the father is who thinks he can just go around calling the shots and using his daughter as a pawn in all of this which I think is really sad.

    I'd like to hear some others suggestions since I suspect this is going to hit the fan this weekend if I follow my wife's advice which to me makes sense. There are players who are better defenders but want to play offense and I try to accomodate that by playing them in both spots. If every girl on the team had their way, I'd have a team made up entirely of forwards with no defense and no goalie so everyone seems to be ok with this except the one father who is a constant thorn in my side and trying to put his own selfish desires before the team.
    "The farther we go, the more the ultimate explanation recedes from us, and all we have left is faith."
    ~Vaclav Hlavaty
  • mitchedwards
    Mego Preservation Society
    • May 2, 2003
    • 11781

    #2
    To me it sound like the father is trying to live vicariously through is daughter. To him being goalie is not what he wants to play.

    If you put him on the spot and offer him a coaching position I bet he will not take it. He sounds like one of those guys that thinks he knows it all till you put him on the spot.


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    • huedell
      Museum Ball Eater
      • Dec 31, 2003
      • 11069

      #3
      I don't have the will to write a good response right now...but I want to say
      that after reading your post--its clear you have the girl's best interest in mind
      ---as well as the teams.

      Its so freakin' "easy" for someone like that girl's dad to "have the answers"---ha!

      I say to him---try walking in your shoes (or your other coach's) and try dealing with all
      those factors you deal with on a daily basis besides his daughter alone--- and see
      how "easy" it is.

      Apologies for not giving a good course of action here---but, I'll tell ya--
      I wish the dad could read your post you just made---maybe reading from that
      perspective of you talking to us about HIM might knock some reality into his head.
      "No. No no no no no no. You done got me talkin' politics. I didn't wanna'. Like I said y'all, I'm just happy to be alive. I think I'll scoot over here right by this winda', let this beautiful carriage rock me to sleep, and dream about how lucky I am." - Chris Mannix

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      • txteach
        Banned
        • Jun 17, 2005
        • 3769

        #4
        I know as a soccer coach goalie is the toughest position to fill. I say you are the coach and what you say goes. I fortunately have the support of my school but when a parent gets upset and attacks me verbally I say "maam, I will not deal with your insults, when you want to have a rationale discussion please contact me" and walk away.

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        • HardyGirl
          Mego Museum's Poster Girl
          • Apr 3, 2007
          • 13949

          #5
          I think your wife's advice is sound. As a teacher, I get my share of cranky parents as well. If you are continuing on as coach, I would send all of the parents a general e-mail, stating that you will be instituting a no-tolerance good sports rule, that applies to both the kids, and parents. 3 strikes and you're out. If the kids get 3 strikes, they get cut from a game. If a parent gets 3 strikes, (i.e. being rude at games, being confrontational to coaches or other parents), their kids will be permenantly cut for the season. There is no excuse for that kind of behavior. Sports is meant to teach kids teamwork, cooperation, and good sportsmanship. If the parents can't handle these basic life concepts, their kids shouldn't be allowed to play. Harsh, but fair.
          "Do you believe, you believe in magic?
          'Cos I believe, I believe that I do,
          Yes, I can see I believe that it's magic
          If your mission is magic your love will shine true."

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          • megocrazy
            Museum Trouble Maker
            • Feb 18, 2007
            • 3718

            #6
            You're in a tough spot. Mostly because the kid sounds like a good player and the father is the one causing the crap. You can't cut her for the father being an idiot. I coached baseball for 5 years, fortunately most of the kids I had issues with were just as bad as the parents so benching them was not a problem. This girl sounds like she's caught in the middle and that makes it all that much harder to deal with. I would approach the head of the league and make him aware of the issue just in case the parent tries to pull something. Then I would tell the parent that the goalie position is where his daughter said she wanted to play. If he insists then only play her the time she had been playing on the field in the first place and see if you can find a replacement goalie. If he still causes a problem have the league draft a notice to him directly stating that if there is an issue they will find another team for his daughter to play on. But there are no guarantees on which team in the league it will be. If she's any good see if there is a team that would trade a player for her. Maybe you can get a kid that wants to play goal and doesn't have parents that are a problem. I would look at teams that are lower in the rankings as possible sources as they're players would probably be willing to accept a trade to a team with a possibility of making the playoffs even though they're happy with the team they're on. Plus his kid would have a better chance of playing more on a lesser team. Then all parties can be satisfied. DON'T let the parent know about any potential trades until he confirms he would like his kid on another team. Otherwise he'll be peddaling the kid to every top team in the league and telling you which team he wants her to play for. It will just cause you a bunch of headaches and it puts control of the situation in his hands, which is the last thing you want. It would be great if you can find a team that has an abundance of goalies as then all the kids get to play more and they're happy. Which is the reason we coach in the first place. Best of Luck. I hope it all works out.
            It's not a doll it's an action figure.

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            • Bill
              Parminant Memble
              • Oct 20, 2002
              • 4139

              #7
              How old are these kids?
              Goalies are awesome, and I don't even like soccer. What a weirdo.
              Bend to that guy too many times and he'll think he is in charge, tell him to go away and end up hurting his daughter in the end. Crap situation he's put you in for what should be about the daughter and the rest of the team.
              Give the girl a skateboard, that'll burn the guy good.

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              • ctc
                Fear the monkeybat!
                • Aug 16, 2001
                • 11183

                #8
                Hmmmm....

                My Grandma used to say that "nuthin' settles someone's hash more than a punch to the throat;" but that's probably not a viable answer. (Gran'ma was a very wise woman....)

                >She responded that her dad told her she doesn't want her playing the position anymore and wants her to play more on the field. I asked her if she liked playing goalie and she said "yes".

                Seriously though; what I would do (and remember: I'm not privy to the ENTIRE situation, so this might not be the best idea) is play her as goal. It's what SHE wants. If dad has a problem I'd explain that as coach, I have a responsibility to the team and the players; NOT to him. She's good at the spot, she enjoys it, no problem. I'd also explain that by telling his daughter what she wants (and not, y'know... ASKING her what she wants) he's doing her a disservice, probably adding to her stress, and sucking a lot of her enjoyment out of the game. The latter having the likely effect of making her quit.

                Don C.

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                • Hulk
                  Mayor of Megoville
                  • May 10, 2003
                  • 16007

                  #9
                  Bench the daughter, ban the father, and sleep with his wife.


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                  • tactile2
                    Museum ADDICT
                    • Jan 8, 2008
                    • 195

                    #10
                    I am a theatre arts teacher...boy could I tell you some stories about parents!

                    It may seem like a thankless job at the moment, but I guarantee that all those hours your have put in DO mean something in the lives of those young girls. Don't let that dick head ruin it for you.

                    As for what you should do now...You are the coach. You do what's best for that young girl and the team. If that father wants to coach a team, let him do it some other season. For now you have a job to do, so do it, and ignore his ravings.
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                    • Adam West
                      Museum CPA
                      • Apr 14, 2003
                      • 6822

                      #11
                      Thanks for the advice. I am going to take the consensus advice and continue to play her as goalie as long as she is interested.

                      As an interesting aside, my assistant coach has not been able to help out at all with practice (he is a lawyer and works long hours). He is filling in for my normal assistant coach who is in the military and is spending 6 months in Texas for some specialized training.

                      I normally wouldn't have picked someone who can't help with practice as an assistant but our league is very strict about who can and can't coach (even as an assistant, you need to take a coaching certification course and as far as I know, he is the only one who has taken the course).

                      I sent out an email and asked for help at practices....no experience necessary. I already plan the practices and just need help setting up cones for various practice games and help keeping 13 preteens at some level of control (they are all 11 and 12 year olds). I received no less than 5 volunteers willing to jump in and help which is half of the team! Surprisingly, this guy's daughter sent me an email saying something to the effect of "I thought you already had help" and attached his work schedule.

                      I was going to ignore him but instead sent a nice email thanking him for offering to help and to please give me some dates as well as some ideas on coaching drills and practices to work on since I'm always open to new ideas.

                      So far, no response....and I doubt he will. If he does take me up on the offer, hopefully, I can try to bridge our differences and he can discover first hand what it's like to be standing in my shoes.

                      Thanks again everyone.
                      "The farther we go, the more the ultimate explanation recedes from us, and all we have left is faith."
                      ~Vaclav Hlavaty

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                      • SUP-Ronin
                        Stuck in a laundry shoot.
                        • Oct 8, 2007
                        • 3146

                        #12
                        You are the coach, not him.
                        You have to make the best decision for the team. If she wants to play goalie, then she should.
                        I wouldn't even deal with the father if he is angry. Let him make an *** of himself in front of everyone.
                        If you keep your cool you will win. If you let him get you openly angry, then he has won, and you will be embarrassed.
                        You can't please everybody, and he probably won't be happy no matter what you do.

                        I like your wifes advice as well, she sounds sensible.

                        Stay out of arms reach of the guy, or if you are more the aggressive type get right in his face and end it. Chances are he isn't expecting you to stand up to him. (I don't mean violence.)

                        I can guarantee this, it won't go down exactly the way you plan it out in your head, so be prepared, and don't let him push you around. Make sure there are adult witnesses to any type of confrontation.
                        "Steel-like jaws clacked away, each bite slashing flesh from my body - I used my knife and my hands, and when they were gone, my bloody stumps - and yet the turtles came."

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                        • SlipperyLilSuckers
                          MeGoing
                          • May 14, 2003
                          • 9031

                          #13
                          I feel sorry for the daughter having a dad like that, I'm glad she has you for a coach.

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                          • Adam West
                            Museum CPA
                            • Apr 14, 2003
                            • 6822

                            #14
                            Thanks again.

                            The parents know I'm passionate about soccer and trying to do what's right by the girls and the team.

                            I really like the girl and it's unfortunate that she may be the one to lose in the end. I had already reported the first incident to our Soccer Coordinator who was already beside himself when he heard what had transpired and said he would not tolerate another incident.
                            "The farther we go, the more the ultimate explanation recedes from us, and all we have left is faith."
                            ~Vaclav Hlavaty

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                            • ctc
                              Fear the monkeybat!
                              • Aug 16, 2001
                              • 11183

                              #15
                              >I really like the girl and it's unfortunate that she may be the one to lose in the end.

                              So.... how's SHE dealing with this.....?

                              Don C.

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