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  • enyawd72
    Maker of Monsters!
    • Oct 1, 2009
    • 7904

    What would you classify this as?

    Without giving away the surprise before it arrives...I recently bought an item from a very reputable prop/costume house that's been around a long time.
    They completely and fully disclosed up front that this particular item is newly put together, but uses the original vintage material, patterns, silkscreens and other pieces obtained directly from the production. Since the item uses all the original patterns and materials, is it truly a reproduction?
    Would it be considered non-screen used original?

    I mean, if you completely assemble a vintage Mego from correct all original parts, it's still considered original and not a reproduction right?
  • spacecaps
    Second Mouse
    • Aug 24, 2011
    • 2093

    #2
    I'd call it a screen accurate replica.

    If you want to use the Mego example, take a look at all the RM Robins that pop up that some of the experts here can dissect right down to the stitch work to tell if the Tunic came from a type 1 early release or a T2 later release and so on. If you look hard enough and know enough someone can tell you if that RM Robin is a 100% all original figure or a head popped on a body with various parts cobbled together from different releases of that figure.

    Take old cars. Lets say you need a dash. A new reproduction dash is available that may fit so-so. An aftermarket OEM dash made from the original tooling will fit perfectly. The OEM would be the way to go but it's still Aftermarket OEM and not original to the car.

    I wouldn't worry about it unless you plan to sell it at which time you may want to disclose exactly what you mentioned above to any potential buyers and there shouldn't be any problems. usually when it comes to screen accurate prop replicas you almost never get 100% accuracy so if you can duplicate that, then great and I'm sure it'll count for something but I wouldn't pass it off as an original.
    "Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you."

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    • palitoy
      live. laugh. lisa needs braces
      • Jun 16, 2001
      • 59772

      #3
      I'd call it a prop replica, I think that's the closest to correct. I think this is a fairly common practice, i've been tempted on some.
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      • wayne foundation 07
        Time to feed the cat
        • Dec 30, 2007
        • 5705

        #4
        I would say if its made from old store stock it would be considered vintage . They have been doing it for years selling old stock of car parts. Still OEM , just replacement. I think this would be along the same line as what you are talking .You follow where I'm going?

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        • enyawd72
          Maker of Monsters!
          • Oct 1, 2009
          • 7904

          #5
          That's why I'm confused...nothing in it is replica. It's all vintage original parts, just newly assembled.

          Thanks for your input guys.

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          • PNGwynne
            Master of Fowl Play
            • Jun 5, 2008
            • 19909

            #6
            Well, perhaps a compromise description is most accurate: "Screen-accurate prop replica, newly-constructed from vintage (or 'original') production materials & components."

            Full, explicit disclosure, eh?
            WANTED: Dick Grayson SI trousers; gray AJ Mustang horse; vintage RC Batman (Bruce Wayne) head; minty Wolfman tights; mint Black Knight sword; minty Launcelot boots; Lion Rock (pale) Dracula & Mummy heads; Lion Rock Franky squared boots; Wayne Foundation blue furniture; Flash Gordon/Ming (10") unbroken holsters; CHiPs gloved arms; POTA T2 tan body; CTVT/vintage Friar Tuck robes, BBP TZ Burgess Meredith glasses.

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            • sprytel
              Talkative Member
              • Jun 26, 2009
              • 6651

              #7
              I would describe it with the exact same description from the "very reputable prop/costume house" that sold it to you. I assume they did not use the term "non-screen used original" when they sold it to you, and would probably agree that isn't quite accurate here.

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              • enyawd72
                Maker of Monsters!
                • Oct 1, 2009
                • 7904

                #8
                Originally posted by sprytel
                I would describe it with the exact same description from the "very reputable prop/costume house" that sold it to you. I assume they did not use the term "non-screen used original" when they sold it to you, and would probably agree that isn't quite accurate here.

                The description was "newly made" with the "original patterns, silkscreens, and materials" just like the original.
                They referred to it by what the original item was called, described the materials used as original as well as how they acquired those materials and the process by which it was made, but never referred to it as a "replica".

                You see why it's a bit confusing? I guess the closest term I could apply to it is a recreation? It's not a replica, because the materials used are original, and not copies of the original.

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                • enyawd72
                  Maker of Monsters!
                  • Oct 1, 2009
                  • 7904

                  #9
                  Originally posted by PNGwynne
                  Well, perhaps a compromise description is most accurate: "Screen-accurate prop replica, newly-constructed from vintage (or 'original') production materials & components."

                  Full, explicit disclosure, eh?
                  I like that description...only thing I would change is replica to recreation, since that is essentially what they did. Recreated the original.

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                  • spacecaps
                    Second Mouse
                    • Aug 24, 2011
                    • 2093

                    #10
                    What is the actual prop of? Can we see it?
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                    • PNGwynne
                      Master of Fowl Play
                      • Jun 5, 2008
                      • 19909

                      #11
                      Good points about "recreation."
                      WANTED: Dick Grayson SI trousers; gray AJ Mustang horse; vintage RC Batman (Bruce Wayne) head; minty Wolfman tights; mint Black Knight sword; minty Launcelot boots; Lion Rock (pale) Dracula & Mummy heads; Lion Rock Franky squared boots; Wayne Foundation blue furniture; Flash Gordon/Ming (10") unbroken holsters; CHiPs gloved arms; POTA T2 tan body; CTVT/vintage Friar Tuck robes, BBP TZ Burgess Meredith glasses.

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                      • jwyblejr
                        galactic yo-yo
                        • Apr 6, 2006
                        • 11147

                        #12
                        Sounds along the lines of a "new" DeLorean. The parts are from the 80s but they've never been put together to make the actual car.

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                        • Gorn Captain
                          Invincible Ironing Man
                          • Feb 28, 2008
                          • 10549

                          #13
                          I wouldn't consider it an original prop, even when using all original parts.
                          An original prop would have been fully assembled way back when.
                          It is cool that it uses all original materials and parts (making it a perfect replica), so this is as close as you can get to it being original.
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                          • Earth 2 Chris
                            Verbose Member
                            • Mar 7, 2004
                            • 32936

                            #14
                            I think the assembly is key. Since it was assembled after the production ended, it is a replica, even if it's assembled by the same people.

                            But, I agree, with the credentials you listed, it's as close as you are going to get to the real thing without buying one actually used IN production.

                            Chris
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                            • EMCE Hammer
                              Moderation Engineer
                              • Aug 14, 2003
                              • 25762

                              #15
                              I'm intrigued Dwayne. Why split hairs? It sounds awesome and I can't wait for you to let the cat out of the bag.

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