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  • ctc
    Fear the monkeybat!
    • Aug 16, 2001
    • 11183

    Musical outrage

    So;

    I've noticed there hasn't been any big hooplah about the subversive, soul-shrivelling music the kids is listening to these days. Not that I put any credence behind such things, but it seems like every decade or so we get some big panic:

    -in the 40's it was the jazz that'd lead you down a road of substance abuse and infidelity
    -in the 50's it was that vulgar, lewd rock and roll
    -in the 60's it was the psychedalia that'd make you a subversive, dope smoking drop out
    -in the 70's it was the disco life of drugs sex and self-destruction that would doom society
    -in the 80's metal would turn us all into satanic mass murderers
    -in the 90's we had rave, and the E-culture to be wary of (AND I-doping. I LOVE the I-doping scare!)
    -in between we had rap and hip hop, turning us into gun toting thugs; and good ol Marilyn Manson who was just WAY too terrifying to contemplate....

    but now....? It's been at least a decade since I'd heard any REAL outrage. Since I doubt we've been overtaken by a wave of reasonableness I chalk it up to the last decade of absolutely gutless mainstream music. Then I wonder if this is symtomatic of something else.... kinda like how all movies were PG'd for a while.

    Don C.
  • Random Axe
    The Voice of Reason
    • Apr 16, 2008
    • 4518

    #2
    This is what rock bottom feels like...total apathy. THe music industry will eventually be compromised by the independent artist recording everything in his bedroom and releasing stuff on youtube, bandcamp and Amazon. I've seen this happening the last few years slowly, and I think it's going to be a minor revolution.
    I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she dumped me before we met.

    If anyone here believes in psychokinesis, please raise my hand.

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    • megoapesnut
      The name says it all!
      • Dec 3, 2007
      • 3727

      #3
      Originally posted by Random Axe
      This is what rock bottom feels like...total apathy.
      Agreed. I hate to sound like my parents but it all sounds the SAME!

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      • johnnystorm
        Hot Child in the City
        • Jul 3, 2008
        • 4293

        #4
        It's all processed now, formulated to appeal to select demographics. The days of a "B" side becoming a hit by accident are long over, not even too many DJs left to do it. We'll probably never have another instrumental hit, novelty song, or a comedy record.
        Don't even start me on that godawful electronic vibration in the vocals that every song has to have added to it, or the rap interlude that otherwise ruins a decent song.
        I think modern country music is worse off, every star there seems totally interchangeable to me.

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        • Splitty
          Career Member
          • Jan 25, 2012
          • 586

          #5
          That's because nowadays the social outrage is blaming violent video games instead of music for the youngsters social apathy, violence and lack of soul. In the past in the news every time a teenager did something violent it was because they listed to 'this' kind of music, or 'that' kind of music. Now it's because they play violent video games.

          Video [games] killed the music star.
          Progression of the electronic world times. On the large nation scale, music now just seems to be background for movies, creating stars for gossip rags, and fodder for reality TV shows.
          Last edited by Splitty; Nov 11, '13, 7:36 PM.
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          • spacecaps
            Second Mouse
            • Aug 24, 2011
            • 2093

            #6
            I think you guys are listening to the wrong things. Sure Top 40 Pop sounds like garbage but 2013 has been one of the best years for music for me. What's more, Im excited for future releases too. Rock isn't dead, it's just called "Indie" music now. Most of the modern stuff I listen to, nobody has ever heard of before and it's mind boggling. It's some of the best music to come out in a long time. If it just got a little bit of exposure, these bands would be huge. When they do get heard by the masses, it's almost always in a commercial. Of course when that happens, most fans call it going mainstream and brand them as sell-outs. Seriously though good music is being made today. Your just not going to hear it on the radio. Here's a few examples:

            If you like the 70's check out Am & Shawn Lee




            (they even do this amazing cover of Jackie Blue:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RY7qmnGpNU)


            If you like singer song writer stuff, here's BOY:




            How about 80's New Wave...try Kisses




            Want a little country in your Rock & Roll, go for Lissie




            Want some Soul? Fitz & The Tantrums




            Party Music? Capital Cities




            Anyway I can go on and on but one thing all these songs have in common; they all came out this year.
            Last edited by spacecaps; Nov 11, '13, 6:19 PM.
            "Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you."

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            • Splitty
              Career Member
              • Jan 25, 2012
              • 586

              #7
              Originally posted by spacecaps
              I think you guys are listening to the wrong things. Sure Top 40 Pop sounds like garbage but 2013 has been one of the best years for music for me. What's more, Im excited for future releases too. Rock isn't dead, it's just called "Indie" music now. ...
              I think his point (in the original post) wasn't that rock is dead, it's that there's not huge social outrage over how music degrades our youth and causes anarchy anymore.
              I agree, there's some fantastic under the radar music out there now. There probably always will be. It just doesn't reach the general public enough to outrage them and make they cry that it's ravaging our youth anymore, or enough exposure to become a movement that defines a generation.

              And thank you, btw, for listing those great music links! I myself am completely useless about searching out new stuff, so I'll check out those links.
              Last edited by Splitty; Nov 11, '13, 6:48 PM.
              I gots Toyyyyzzzzz

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              • spacecaps
                Second Mouse
                • Aug 24, 2011
                • 2093

                #8
                My point wasn't "rock is dead" either. I just put that in there as a throwaway line. New mainstream music has always bothered the older generation. Goldfinger is usually considered the best Bond film, right? It also includes one of the worst lines in the entire franchise. The one where Bond quips about having to listen to the Beatles with earmuffs on. That's the Beatles he's talking about but in '64, they weren't the iconic rock legends they are today, they were four boys that teenage girls fainted over and the older crowd collectively said....Meh. Their TV counterpart, The Monkees, always got blasted for "not playing their own instruments or writing their own songs" but the kids that tuned in watch them every week didn't care about that. That was the more sophisticated older crowd complaining about that. Most people didn't even realize Last Train To Clarksville was about going off to war. They just heard crappy pop music and complained that the guys singing it were just singing the song, had nothing to do with the writing or playing, and weren't a "real band." (That wasn't entirely true either, but public perception being what it is made it that way) Now they're music is considered classic too.

                I think the problem has more to do with too much variety in the mainstream than anything else. I remember growing up in the 80's and it seemed that for the most part everyone listened to the same thing. Now I realize there was Punk and Rap and other styles that were very genre specific but aside from that, while there was different types of music the Hair Metal got played next to the New Wave which came on after a Madonna song which was followed by a dance song and then followed by a country tune and then maybe an oldies song from a few years prior thrown in. Now it's all so specific. You've got a dance station for dance music. An R&B station for the soul stuff. Country stations for the country music but new country won't play old country and vice-versa. The oldies stations only go so far back as the 70's now and maybe once in a while will play something from the 60's as long as it was popular but never ever something from the 50's. Main stream stations only play the 20 or so songs that are current and trendy.

                Events like Hands Across America, where they got 30+ musicians from all different kinds of musical backgrounds to come together and sing We Are The World will never happen like that again. When something like that does happen, you get a bunch of individual acts performing at the same venue, like the 12/12/12 Sandy show where someone like Kanye West shows up, know one knows anything about his music and everyone has the "what the hell is he doing here?" type of attitude. (Any honestly, what was he doing?) The flip side to that is a terrible "lets sing for the cause" song that's completely genre specific or a mishmash of artists that some people will know a few artists but not everyone will know every artist. The days of someone like Cyndi Lauper singing with Lionel Richie singing with Kenny Rogers and every person listening knowing who each and every person is, is long gone.
                Last edited by spacecaps; Nov 11, '13, 7:16 PM.
                "Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you."

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                • mikeMc6
                  Persistent Member
                  • Mar 24, 2012
                  • 1399

                  #9
                  I listen to indie alternative now more than ever...melody is back with a vengeance and I like it...Top 20 is always majority bubblegum crap...heck, indie alternative stuff is so into that grunge and/or 80s alternative sound it cracks me up in a good way...
                  mall used to be our internet social media, popular music used to be our connecting force, not so now...
                  plus, observing my childrens' fellow students in elementary school and observing people in their 20s at my work...these post 9/11 young uns' are so ...nice, but that's a generational thing...it will swing back and then reflect that in the pop culture.
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                  • VintageMike
                    Permanent Member
                    • Dec 16, 2004
                    • 3385

                    #10
                    The exact same piece of music can sound different to to different ears. It's different from whatever we liked so we process it differently. If it's new and what you are raised on as popular it's going to sound better to you. The reason our parents hated our music, their parents before them hated theirs and we don't get the music out now.

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                    • Werewolf
                      Inhuman
                      • Jul 14, 2003
                      • 14974

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Splitty
                      That's because nowadays the social outrage is blaming violent video games instead of music for the youngsters social apathy, violence and lack of soul.
                      I agree with Splitty. The outrage is still there. The media has just moved on to video games.
                      You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...

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                      • EMCE Hammer
                        Moderation Engineer
                        • Aug 14, 2003
                        • 25766

                        #12
                        Congratulations - from now on if I have a stupid question about music I am asking you. Thanks for all the links, I wouldn't begin to know where to find this stuff. I'm waiting for someone to send me a letter about the Winger reunion.

                        Originally posted by spacecaps
                        I think you guys are listening to the wrong things. Sure Top 40 Pop sounds like garbage but 2013 has been one of the best years for music for me. What's more, Im excited for future releases too. Rock isn't dead, it's just called "Indie" music now. Most of the modern stuff I listen to, nobody has ever heard of before and it's mind boggling. It's some of the best music to come out in a long time. If it just got a little bit of exposure, these bands would be huge. When they do get heard by the masses, it's almost always in a commercial. Of course when that happens, most fans call it going mainstream and brand them as sell-outs. Seriously though good music is being made today. Your just not going to hear it on the radio. Here's a few examples:

                        If you like the 70's check out Am & Shawn Lee




                        (they even do this amazing cover of Jackie Blue:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RY7qmnGpNU)


                        If you like singer song writer stuff, here's BOY:




                        How about 80's New Wave...try Kisses




                        Want a little country in your Rock & Roll, go for Lissie




                        Want some Soul? Fitz & The Tantrums




                        Party Music? Capital Cities




                        Anyway I can go on and on but one thing all these songs have in common; they all came out this year.

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                        • Random Axe
                          The Voice of Reason
                          • Apr 16, 2008
                          • 4518

                          #13
                          Originally posted by EMCE Hammer
                          Congratulations - from now on if I have a stupid question about music I am asking you. Thanks for all the links, I wouldn't begin to know where to find this stuff. I'm waiting for someone to send me a letter about the Winger reunion.

                          Dude you missed it, it was August 30. They had a reunion show where they recorded a live album and possible DVD. However, if your's in Japan next week they're playing three shows there.
                          I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she dumped me before we met.

                          If anyone here believes in psychokinesis, please raise my hand.

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                          • EMCE Hammer
                            Moderation Engineer
                            • Aug 14, 2003
                            • 25766

                            #14
                            Damn, I'm headed for a heartbreak.

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                            • HardyGirl
                              Mego Museum's Poster Girl
                              • Apr 3, 2007
                              • 13950

                              #15
                              I think so too. Complete and total mediocrity. (did I spell that right?)

                              Originally posted by megoapesnut
                              Agreed. I hate to sound like my parents but it all sounds the SAME!
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                              'Cos I believe, I believe that I do,
                              Yes, I can see I believe that it's magic
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