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  • johnmiic
    Adrift
    • Sep 6, 2002
    • 8427

    The Lone Ranger SPOILER Intensive Thread

    It was enjoyable and fun but not without it's problems.

    We not only get the Ranger's origin but Tonto's. I don't think I ever heard of an origin for Tonto. I applaud the new, grittier, look for Tonto and the sympathy towards the Indians. Their leader was witty and wise and has one of the best lines in the film.

    The scenery was fantastic. Why didn't they use some of these locale's on John Carter? Did they look too Earth-like? The west looks fantastic in this film.

    The frame for the film isn't too bad but the filmmakers use it to skip important details and interrupt the story and even tell it out of order. Look, if you wanted Quentin Tarantino to direct this why not hire him? That's his thing. Don't try to do it better than him because you can't.

    I can accept that from where TLR originally came from he will need training and instruction but can the man who would become TLR really be so naive and reluctant after seeing so many people, including his brother, killed? I'm not going to say Armie Hammer was as bad as Inspector Cluseau but he was soooo naive. It takes too long for him to solidify what he has to do and who he has to become. The second villain, the man behind the scenes, was pretty obvious. There was no suspense in that reveal so get over that hurdle early and let him get down to business as Antonio Banderas did in Zorro. Sure he will fail on some of his attempts but he will learn as he goes.

    If Johnny Depp is part Native American how does playing Tonto grunting in broken english and providing mostly comic relief make this a better portrayal? Some of the parts where he and TLR disagree were very well scripted but not played out correctly I think. The argument they have as Tonto is about to revenge himself on Butch Cavendish is a good exchange but they shouldn't have had it in front of the villain. It was the right words/wrong place to say them. Maybe they should have had a big argument and a kncok-em down fight from an argument but I don't much like Tonto slapping TLR around for being a doofus.

    Also some dialogue is too modern. Should any character in the old west have to say, "Lack of oxygen causes the brain to hallucinate." That and a few other lines were way too modern and out of place.

    I scratch my head at what we're expected to believe can happen. A gatling gun that effectively kills hundreds of Indians misses white men when aimed at them leaving them alive to scramble like buffoons? People go flying off a crashing train and live? Horses that can scale roofs of buildings and gallop on the roofs of moving trains? Really? Tonto jumps from one train above to the one below, 3-4 stories down, lands on an open top car of silver ore and gets up again without breaking his legs or ankles? Too much and definitely over the top.

    Definitely better than The Wild, Wild, West but not better than Zorro.
  • BlackKnight
    The DarkSide Customizer
    • Apr 16, 2005
    • 14622

    #2
    I seriously Doubt I can be disapointed by this ...
    Gonna see it sometime this weekend.
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    • spacecaps
      Second Mouse
      • Aug 24, 2011
      • 2093

      #3
      Just got back from seeing it and I'm not gonna pick apart this movie for not being authentic enough or disjointed. The story jumping around as it did was a bit annoying and I don't know why they couldn't just tell it straight. The Tarintino comparison is pretty accurate. (Also how awesome would that be if he did direct this movie.)

      Outside of a few easily over looked issues, The Lone Ranger is a fun summer movie. It's got good guys and bad guys, for the most part a cohesive story, and two really good actors in the lead. This was Depp's best performance since Jack Sparrow and I didn't really find Tonto to be comic relief, I found him to be witty and intuitive. His lines were timely and meant to amuse. I never found him to be wacky or goofy. There's a reason Depp got top billing in this movie. He steals the show. Although the first time he fead the bird on his head I thought, "Uh oh, here we go..." but once it became obvious to the audience that the bird was part of his character it never got to the point where he was over the top. The goofy part of the movie was the guy that liked woman's clothes. That was just weird and for all the flack Tonto got for having the bird on his head, this guy went the whole movie with a doily on his head and a pink umbrella in his hand and the rough and tuff outlaws he hung with where a-ok with it. What was that? He reminded me way to much of the wooden eye guy from Pirates and was just excessive.

      I wasn't big on the 1933 flashback intro with a withered old Tonto retelling the story.(You could see that set up coming from a mile away as the boy gazed into the first two mysteries of the old west exhibits and what the hell was Tonto doing in there in the first place?) At one point you actually had a flashback within a flashback and some flash forwards and even a few scenes that were flash forwards that were actually flash backs. It's the Lone Ranger, just keep it simple.

      The biggest problem I had with the movie was the whole "I'm in love with my brothers wife and now that he's dead, I can have her" story line. That aspect of the movie was odd and a little unsettling, especially the "Wrong brother?" "Not today..." exchange. Way to honor your very recently deceased husband and father to your kid, woman who's name I had trouble remembering during the movie let alone several hours afterward. For a two and a half hour movie, they could have spent a little more time establishing the brothers connection, the wife, the kid and how they all fit together instead of them just wistfully gazing at one another from time to time and not bothering to fill the kid in at all.

      I was surprised the movie got as violent as it did. The opening train jail break scene got crazy with the bandits just killing anyone that got in their way. But when the heroes walk in on the bad guys, they just get tied up instead of shot in the face like anyone else would have. You can't have it both ways.

      I liked that this movie was fun though. It never felt boring and I didn't find myself once thinking that I wished it would just be over already. I liked how they did the horse too. Silver is presented as very much a main character and it's implied that maybe he is magical but you never really know. I thought the last scene on the train was enjoyable and didn't drag on like far too many films have done this summer. (I'm looking at you Man of Steel and Iron Man 3...) It also features some cool stunts. I don't think anyone gets blown away by special effects anymore but that scene where Tonto jumps from one train to the other was cool and at least there was some thought put into the ladder scene just before it. Going in to this movie, I only really ever knew who the Lone Ranger was by hearing about him. I never watched the serials from the 50's and if I saw the 1980's movie as a kid, I've forgotten about it so to me I thought the film captured the essence of who the characters are and what they are supposed to represent. it never took itself too seriously and it never got too dark. It's a perfect movie to take your kids and/or grandpa to see and I think that's all I really want from a summer movie. I started that "Lone Ranger Is Getting Panned Thread" and I really don't get what the critics didn't like about the movie. It is far and away better than the Wild Wild West and comparing it to one of the worst movies ever made isn't really fair. The Lone Ranger is enjoyable and it's an action movie made for the whole family. In fact after seeing this I kind of wished they had taken the same lighthearted action packed approach with Man Of Steel because they were able to make a modern movie about a hero from a bygone era without turning him into some dark and twisted version of what he's supposed to be.

      Bottom line is that the movie is full of action and entertaining. It brings back the fun westerns of yesteryear that just don't get made anymore and it's made for the whole family in mind which in the case of an iconic American hero that stands for truth and justice turns out to actually be a good thing.
      Last edited by spacecaps; Jul 3, '13, 8:25 PM.
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      • Earth 2 Chris
        Verbose Member
        • Mar 7, 2004
        • 32861

        #4
        I enjoyed it. Took my kids and my Dad, who is as old-school a Lone Ranger fan as you get, having listened to the radio show in it's original run, AND watched Clayton Moore series on TV.

        I knew the movie would be quirky going in. You don't put the Pirates team back together and get a straight Lone Ranger flick, just like you don't put Nolan, Goyer and Snyder on a Superman flick and get a light and airy romp. But I will admit the movie was a touch quirkier than even I expected. I liked Hammer, but I would have liked it a bit more if they'd got him up to speed quicker. The audience cheered when the William Tell overture played and he got his act together in the finale. I think Hollywood underestimates that sometimes we WANT to see our heroes as flawless paragons, if even for an instance.

        I think Depp is now like Jack Nicholson became in the 80s. He plays "Quirky Depp" in every flick, just like Nicholson played "Crazy Jack" in every film. And that's okay. We like him quirky, and he was here. He had some great lines, and I did sympathize with and like Tonto.

        I too felt the violence was a little out of place in spots, and not carried through in others. A bit uneven there.

        But a good, fun popcorn flick. It reminded me quite a bit of "The Mask of Zorro" but definitely with the weird factor ratcheted up several notches.

        Chris
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        • Earth 2 Chris
          Verbose Member
          • Mar 7, 2004
          • 32861

          #5
          ^No, he wears the mask because everyone thinks he's dead...just like always.

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          • YoungOnce
            Career Member
            • Aug 29, 2007
            • 966

            #6
            Took the family and we all enjoyed it. Harkens to the western serials of yesteryear. Yeah... The Lone Ranger music was well-placed and everyone cheered when the music and the heroics started. Quirky, yeah.... But not overboard in my opinion. Followable story. Great villain. Just good to watch a new western!

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            • kingdom warrior
              OH JES!!
              • Jul 21, 2005
              • 12478

              #7
              LOVED IT!!!!! Had the Humor i was looking for and I like how The Lone Ranger became what he was destined to be. I was wondering was the kid Tonto was Talking to the Green Hornet??

              Silver Stole all the scenes he was in....lol

              The Theater Roared when the William Tell Overture was played......awesome to hear people's reaction to it.....

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              • Fuzzysnail
                Persistent Member
                • Feb 18, 2007
                • 1048

                #8
                William Tell Overture brought a smile to my face. I went in with low expectations and came away okay with the movie. TLR is super iconic, and I wasnt happy with the changes. I wanted to see him spinning two pearl handled revolvers and shooting guns outa bad guys hands. I love the old look of TLR so it was tough for me to watch the modern version. I'm only 43 for cryin out loud, but this bugged me. Tonto's look was more a problem for me before the movie...once I was watching it I was okay with the dead bird on Johnny Depps head, it had its part to play. I mostly saw Depp as a pirate in this movie, less Tonto and more Jack Sparrow. Silver remained Iconic and still grew as a character. Horses wearing hats.......how can u not love that. An the arguement over which brother to bring back, had my son laughing his butt off.
                At least they finally gave me the Hi Ho Silver at the end, and Tonto's line "Dont ever do that again" made me crack up and leave with a smile on my face. three stars out of five for me. I will watch it again on cable or DVD.

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                • Earth 2 Chris
                  Verbose Member
                  • Mar 7, 2004
                  • 32861

                  #9
                  I talked to my Dad last night, who thought about it and decided that the movie was "different", and "weird", but he said he enjoyed it. He did laughingly say Clayton Moore would have gotten up and walked out of the theater. He said the same thing of Jay Silverheels, but then he changed his mind saying maybe he would have liked a Tonto who slapped the Ranger around, and didn't send him into town to be beat up and lynched all the time.

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                  • kingdom warrior
                    OH JES!!
                    • Jul 21, 2005
                    • 12478

                    #10
                    Anyone have a fav Line from the movie? Mine was LR to Tonto: You know what Tonto means in Spanish right??..........I nearly choked when i heard that, and everyone who caught it was roaring....lol

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                    • Earth 2 Chris
                      Verbose Member
                      • Mar 7, 2004
                      • 32861

                      #11
                      nyone have a fav Line from the movie? Mine was LR to Tonto: You know what Tonto means in Spanish right??..........I nearly choked when i heard that, and everyone who caught it was roaring....lol
                      Yes! That was a good one. I think I was only one of the few who caught it though.

                      SPOILERS


                      I think my favorite was after the "Hi-Yo Silver! AWAY!" at the end..."NEVER DO THAT AGAIN!"

                      Chris
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                      • BlackKnight
                        The DarkSide Customizer
                        • Apr 16, 2005
                        • 14622

                        #12
                        Originally posted by kingdom warrior
                        Anyone have a fav Line from the movie?

                        "I haven't fired a Gun in 9yrs" ....

                        Tonto ... " Perhaps U Should keep that to yourself ".

                        right before the Duel.

                        I liked the Movie ...
                        I liked Everything that was Done with Tonto..., I liked Depp's Tonto Better than Any other Version I've Ever Seen..., and really Enjoyed His character.
                        I really Enjoyed the Interaction Depp and Hammer had, and think they did have some chemistry....

                        But I fell that Hammers Direction, Story and Untelling of it ..., Fell Flat. ..., and made the Ranger Take a Backseat Ride to Tonto ..., which I dunno if it shoulda. I also didn't like the Story being told by a 90 yr Old Tonto, to a Little boy ..., and the consistant "Princess Bride-ish" Scenes in and out of the story. I think that was a Bad Idea.

                        I liked the Movie Over All ..., But it's No Pirates, and Not as good as I thought, wished and Hoped it would be for me. But I would watch it ..., and again perhaps.
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                        • drquest
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                          • Apr 17, 2012
                          • 3852

                          #13
                          I laughed at this line:

                          The Lone Ranger asked Tonto, "What does Kemosabe mean"? Tonto replies replies, "wrong brother".
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                          • johnmiic
                            Adrift
                            • Sep 6, 2002
                            • 8427

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BlackKnight
                            But I fell that Hammers Direction, Story and Untelling of it ..., Fell Flat. ..., and made the Ranger Take a Backseat Ride to Tonto ..., which I dunno if it shoulda. I also didn't like the Story being told by a 90 yr Old Tonto, to a Little boy ..., and the consistant "Princess Bride-ish" Scenes in and out of the story. I think that was a Bad Idea.

                            I liked the Movie Over All ..., But it's No Pirates, and Not as good as I thought, wished and Hoped it would be for me. But I would watch it ..., and again perhaps.
                            ^^^I agree. Also, great quote:

                            "We are already ghosts." - Chief Big Bear

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                            • fallensaviour
                              Talkative Member
                              • Aug 28, 2006
                              • 5620

                              #15
                              Just got back from LR and thought it was great.
                              My son loved it.When they hit the LR theme he was bouncing in his seat.
                              One of my favorite scenes would be grave side with the spirit horse...LOL
                              Overall I enjoyed this way more than man of steel.
                              “When you say “It’s hard”, it actually means “I’m not strong enough to fight for it”. Stop saying its hard. Think positive!”

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