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  • fallensaviour
    Talkative Member
    • Aug 28, 2006
    • 5620

    #31
    Originally posted by Cmonster
    I figured this would come up, so I'll explain even though it really doesn't matter. My father is Sicilian and my mother was from Spain. I'm not really exactly sure what to "officially" classify myself as color-wise, but I've always thought of myself as someone who definitely isn't white. My skin is not white by any stretch of the imagination. It's more of an olive/golden brown color. The racial slurs that this person called me were Hispanic in nature... Again, not that it matters. Racism is racism.

    SC

    Brother!!!!

    Did you read my previous post...LOL
    I'm also of a sicilian background...
    I have olive/golden flesh...LOL classic

    Our family name from sicily is Gilambardo.
    Geez I knew I liked you for some reason.
    “When you say “It’s hard”, it actually means “I’m not strong enough to fight for it”. Stop saying its hard. Think positive!”

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    • Cmonster
      Banned
      • Feb 6, 2010
      • 1877

      #32
      Originally posted by fallensaviour
      Brother!!!!

      Did you read my previous post...LOL
      I'm also of a sicilian background...
      I have olive/golden flesh...LOL classic

      Our family name from sicily is Gilambardo.
      Geez I knew I liked you for some reason.
      Tutto bene, paisano... ; )

      SC

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      • torgospizza
        Theocrat of Pan Tang
        • Aug 19, 2010
        • 2747

        #33
        The thing is, Sandy, when it comes to what you are, you're a sharp, talented guy that makes awesome films. That's what matters. Also--and this is my personal opinion--when it comes to business, the only color that matters is green. "Is this person going to help us make money?" Not that what I'm saying is fresh--everyone here knows how it should be; this one dude is just an ******, but people often rise to a level inversely proportional to their value. In coarser terms, 5#!+ floats.

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        • fallensaviour
          Talkative Member
          • Aug 28, 2006
          • 5620

          #34
          Razzismo,temo che non si possa aggiustare dentro il ignorante.

          Perhaps you should ask him to go fishing,paisano...
          I probably have enough concrete to make a pair of size 10 1/2's...LOL
          “When you say “It’s hard”, it actually means “I’m not strong enough to fight for it”. Stop saying its hard. Think positive!”

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          • samurainoir
            Eloquent Member
            • Dec 26, 2006
            • 18758

            #35
            Originally posted by MegoRonin
            Ignorance is everywhere and affects everyone - sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly. Today you were affected directly. The best thing you can do is take the high road. The next best thing you could do was immediately walk into the room and thank him for clarifying what a crappy bunch of people they are, and now you know you don't have to waste anymore of your time dealing with them. Since the comment wasn't meant for your ears, it probably would have at least made him feel like an idiot. If not, they weren't worth your time in anyway.
            Well said MegoRonin. Sometimes I think this kind of situation is the easiest for me to deal with as an individual. You walk away and put it behind you, and you are completely justified in your anger and the way you react. What I find is a constant struggle and challenge in our multicultural society is the subtler forms that you can't just walk away from. The awkwardness and silence as someone says something incredibly stupid across any given cultural divide at any one of my family's multi-racial/cultural gatherings in all it's myriad combinations/permutations. Often born out of ignorance than malice, but it's a death by a thousand cuts over years and years of smoothing out ruffled feathers and trying to educate, open up communication and understanding, and build bridges through whichever means you have at your disposal, be it humour, anecdotal storytelling, show and tell. You never can tell when what you think are the smallest things are actually Big Deals, even down to the way one family dines vs another family.... often down to different understanding of cultural "manners"... the individual plate model vs communal dining seems to be at the crux of much of our earliest skirmishes before we had a better understanding of it. You just Work At It, and sometimes it doesn't seem that way, but there is definitely a difference over time... particularly when those "funny looking" grandkids show up. They are the ones that ultimately bridge the gaps better than anything you yourself can say or do.

            Sorry this had to happen to you Sandy. Karma will catch up with that jerk if he's so overt about it.
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            • Mikey
              Verbose Member
              • Aug 9, 2001
              • 47258

              #36
              Not to divert from the original subject, but I think just about everyone has at least some bias hardwired into them to some degree ... It probably goes back as far as when humans first became tribal.

              For example, if a white man admits that he is only attracted to and would only marry a white women would he be considered prejudice ?

              If a Jewish person said they would only marry a person of the same faith would they be prejudice ?

              The whole trick is acting civilized and keeping prejudices in check.

              Live and let live.

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              • Werewolf
                Inhuman
                • Jul 14, 2003
                • 14975

                #37
                I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
                You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...

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                • Adam West
                  Museum CPA
                  • Apr 14, 2003
                  • 6822

                  #38
                  I'm sorry to hear that. I saw a show on the NatGeo channel recently that explored the creation of human beings using DNA research in an attempt to trace it back to an original source. So far, they have concluded that it traces back to African and the first humans on the planet were black and skin color changes occurred over time as people moved to different regions of the world. Racism is ignorant pure and simple. To Mike's point, I am generally attracted to Caucasians not because I am Caucasian but just a preference. However, I think there are plenty of beautiful women of all walks of life that I find stunningly gorgeous. So no, I don't find my general preference for Caucasians to be racially biased.
                  "The farther we go, the more the ultimate explanation recedes from us, and all we have left is faith."
                  ~Vaclav Hlavaty

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                  • Goblin19
                    Talkative Member
                    • May 2, 2002
                    • 6124

                    #39
                    I grew up in a very racist area. I learned to despise these prejudices. Luckily, the younger generation seems to be getting better about this sort of thing (at least from what I see).

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                    • Brazoo
                      Permanent Member
                      • Feb 14, 2009
                      • 4767

                      #40
                      "That moviemaking uber-champion of the sea will never show his movie here..."
                      I just filled in the blanks with my own prejudiced opinions about you.

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                      • Cmonster
                        Banned
                        • Feb 6, 2010
                        • 1877

                        #41
                        Yeah,

                        It still hasn't really sunken in yet. For some reason, I still can't get over the fact that someone would use race to make the point he was trying to make, or say what he wanted to say. I mean, even if he said "That untalented hack will never show his movie here...", I could deal with that so much easier than what was actually said. I say that because whenever you do something, ANYTHING creative, people will have an opinion of it and chances are those opinions will have some degree of variety to them. Part of being a professional is dealing with this, especially in this day and age where anyone can go on line and write literally anything they want about anything. I've had people not like all kinds of stuff I've done; paintings, sculptures, films, even custom figures... Some people (especially on line) for whatever reason, even go as far as to attack me personally, detesting the work to such a degree that the vitriol that emanates from their "reviews" of my work in some instances, is simply unbelievable. It's just part of being an artist and like I said above, something you need to be able to deal with if you're going to put your work out into the public eye.

                        This is all fine... Really, it is. But to hear someone say that they wouldn't show my film, using such strong, racial slurs??? What kind of criteria is that? I mean, REALLY? You're not gonna show my movie at your festival because you think I'm of Hispanic descent? REALLY???

                        Look, "Hunter Prey" was submitted to a lot of film festivals. It did not get in to most of them. I've had festival programmers call me personally and say that though the amount of work, time and talent that went into the film is obvious, that it just didn't fit their programming schedule or whatever. Why this person couldn't do that, is simply beyond me...

                        SC

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                        • Brazoo
                          Permanent Member
                          • Feb 14, 2009
                          • 4767

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Mikey
                          Not to divert from the original subject, but I think just about everyone has at least some bias hardwired into them to some degree ... It probably goes back as far as when humans first became tribal.
                          Yeah totally - I think our brains are geared towards generalizing and compartmentalizing to keep track of information, so bias is an inherent part of our "hard wiring", to some degree. Exactly as you say, I think all civilized people usually try to use reason instead of our base intuitive-level thinking. Some people may not be as good at that though.

                          Originally posted by Mikey
                          For example, if a white man admits that he is only attracted to and would only marry a white women would he be considered prejudice ?
                          I think most people agree that sexual attraction is probably influenced by "hard wiring" as well, but I don't know if you can use logic to attract yourself sexually to someone you're not attracted to - if that makes sense?

                          Originally posted by Mikey
                          If a Jewish person said they would only marry a person of the same faith would they be prejudice ?
                          The religion in marriage issue is, to me, another issue entirely. Religion for some people represents SO much in terms of personal beliefs, ethics, tradition, culture --- and then picking who you marry is so personal --- I guess it's possible to say that this would be a type of prejudice, but I don't know if it's a negative prejudice really - and it's not in the same ballpark as racism to me.

                          Not hiring someone based on religion - whole different story I think.

                          Originally posted by Mikey
                          The whole trick is acting civilized and keeping prejudices in check.

                          Live and let live.
                          Yeah - I think I get your point, and I think we're in total agreement.

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                          • Brazoo
                            Permanent Member
                            • Feb 14, 2009
                            • 4767

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Cmonster
                            Why this person couldn't do that, is simply beyond me...

                            SC
                            Cuz he's a ******?

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                            • MegoSteve
                              Superman's Pal
                              • Jun 17, 2005
                              • 4135

                              #44
                              So, who was it?

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                              • AJ Collector
                                The Biggest Little Man!
                                • Aug 24, 2008
                                • 2148

                                #45
                                Sorry Sandy.......We as a people seem to thrive on hate for no reason, so sad.

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