Whoa! And why does this judge still have a job?

[MIB41]

I was absolutely beside myself, after I read this. It's one thing to have a personal opinion about issues. But when it causes a judge to bypass the evidence and rule to satisfy a personal and private vendetta, well your no longer following law. In fact he committed a crime here. And then he berates the defendant for his color too? If the roles were reversed, this judge would already be gone. If I was that defendant, I would sue that judge for demeaning me with racial bias. Pathetic...

Black judge rejects plea deal for 'white boy' - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com

[huedell]

I understand despising racially charged statements...

....BUT I'm used to reading JUDGE JUDY's books
and sometimes, as a judge,
and as someone that's "been around the block", JUDY just "tells it like it is",
now, I'm no "law expert" but if there is some sense here...
I mean, if there is some proof here via STATISTICS behind what
this judge is saying... I can say I don't really begrudge him all that much
for speaking like this.

[MIB41]

When a judge expresses a personal comment about how he views the court system and then delivers a verdict based on that opinion, he is not following the rule of law. He is following a racial bias that dictates a desire to "even" what he believes is an unfair balance based on COLOR. So therefore he is not following law, he is using a racial profile to determine what, in his mind, is justice for black people. It's completely wrong. It would be like a white judge looking at a black kid and saying, "There are too many of my white neighbors being mugged by you black kids. They have suffered long enough. I sentence you to the maximum number of years so my neighbors won't have to worry about you again for a while." Same difference. It's completely wrong and that judge should be without a job this morning. Completely out of line.

[huedell]

It would be like a white judge looking at a black kid and saying, "There are too many of my white neighbors being mugged by you black kids. They have suffered long enough. I sentence you to the maximum number of years so my neighbors won't have to worry about you again for a while." Same difference. It's completely wrong and that judge should be without a job this morning. Completely out of line.

I don't know... if you're saying he handed out the "maximum sentence"
for the exact crime comitted along with a commentary on racial bias,
in essence using this sentence to drive home a point ...while I can see
how it would be grating to someone's sensitivity to racial comments,
I still am not seeing how it is grounds for the guy's verdict being questioned
or especially him losing his job as you're saying is necessary.

[MIB41]

But what your saying is more applicable to social sensibilities on the street. We're talking about the application of the law. We have a judge and a defendant. That judge should be looking at the defendant and evidence therein. He chose to go outside that plane of thought and see the individual's COLOR. Then he even went as far as to remark about it, calling him a "white boy". Turn the tables and see a white judge calling a defendant a "black boy". What do you think would happen? Do you think Jessie Jackson wouldn't be at his doorstep this morning picketing for his head? C'mon now Huedell. If that was YOU standing there and that judge mentioned your race and rendered a verdict based on that comment, you would feel completely victimized. There would be no consideration to 'racial sensitivities' if you were standing in his shoes. You would feel it for what it is.

[huedell]

But what your saying is more applicable to social sensibilities on the street. We're talking about the application of the law. We have a judge and a defendant. That judge should be looking at the defendant and evidence therein. He chose to go outside that plane of thought and see the individual's COLOR.

I think that'll happen to ANY judge in any scenario... it's just human nature.
Now, how that affects the judge's verdict? Well, I'd hope that if it
"did" affect the decision, that it'd be within a REASONABLE measure.
I don't see anyting wrong with the "race" of the defendant or anything else
of the defendant playing a part in the judge making a decision...because
decisions are ALL inclusive, taking in every factor of the case combined
with a judge's accumalated wisdom (as opposed to accumalated "knowledge"). It's a "judgement call" in many respects.

He chose to go outside that plane of thought and see the individual's COLOR. Then he even went as far as to remark about it, calling him a "white boy". Turn the tables and see a white judge calling a defendant a "black boy". What do you think would happen? Do you think Jessie Jackson wouldn't be at his doorstep this morning picketing for his head?

I believe you're right...Jackson, Sharpton...whoever. And that's one of the
things that makes this country great...that issues like that can be addressed
by the right people at the right time for better or for worse.
Still, it is what it is. Right?

C'mon now Huedell. If that was YOU standing there and that judge mentioned your race and rendered a verdict based on that comment, you would feel completely victimized. There would be no consideration to 'racial sensitivities' if you were standing in his shoes. You would feel it for what it is.

Yes, I'd feel racially "attacked"...and I'd look to see how I could address that
kind of treatment in the right way... but you better believe IF I was in that
situation and IF I was to make a public statement, I'd certainly include my
experience and support for people like Judge Judy and guys like this...
and, you know, the ball would bounce the way that it'd bounce...

but, frankly, I don't see myself ever ending up in the "place" that this
particular "white boy" is in at the current time with this particular judge
and his verdict to BEGIN with...

hey, ya never know....the more I look into this, i might change my tune,
but right now I feel strongly about the "balance" needed here to keep this
from unnecessarily getting sidetracked into a place where guys like the
defendant in this case and others like it are such "total victims".

[Mikey]

It's Pennsylvania, what do you expect ?

The same state where it's illegal to own fireworks, but it's legal to sell them

[Brazoo]

Aside from the comment "white boy", which personally, I don't take to be that insulting because he was talking about a young dude - It's hard to know from this article if the Judge or the Assistant DA is at fault here.

For all we know the Judge is right, we don't know what the history of that Assistant DA is.

[Brazoo]

When a judge expresses a personal comment about how he views the court system and then delivers a verdict based on that opinion, he is not following the rule of law. He is following a racial bias that dictates a desire to "even" what he believes is an unfair balance based on COLOR. So therefore he is not following law, he is using a racial profile to determine what, in his mind, is justice for black people. It's completely wrong. It would be like a white judge looking at a black kid and saying, "There are too many of my white neighbors being mugged by you black kids. They have suffered long enough. I sentence you to the maximum number of years so my neighbors won't have to worry about you again for a while." Same difference. It's completely wrong and that judge should be without a job this morning. Completely out of line.

I disagree. First of all his comments were specific to his experience with that Assistant DA - not the court system. And - I have no idea what the law is in that state - but it seems perfectly reasonable that a Judge has the right to throw out a plea. Fighting a cop is a pretty ridiculous thing to do, in my opinion.

[LonnieFisher]

"white boy" is racist. Judge is supposed to be impartial. Jail the judge for mis-using his power.

[johnmiic]

I think it is very difficult to remove a sitting Judge. Here in NY we get a lot of "junk justice" from Judges that seem to think we live in Bizarro World. Even when it hits the news services and everyone knows what has happened many Judges still keep their jobs.

There may have been one case where a woman requested a restraining order and the Judge denied it. Then 1 month later her ex killed her. There was a huge public outcry. The Mayor got involved and that Judge was sent packing but other than that it's pretty rare to see a Judge removed from the bench. In that case it took a fatality to make it happen.

I do agree this sounds crazy but I also think this Judge knows he is virtually untouchable.

[huedell]

I think it is very difficult to remove a sitting Judge. Here in NY we get a lot of "junk justice" from Judges that seem to think we live in Bizarro World. Even when it hits the news services and everyone knows what has happened many Judges still keep their jobs.

There may have been one case where a woman requested a restraining order and the Judge denied it. Then 1 month later her ex killed her. There was a huge public outcry. The Mayor got involved and that Judge was sent packing but other than that it's pretty rare to see a Judge removed from the bench. In that case it took a fatality to make it happen.

I do agree this sounds crazy but I also think this Judge knows he is virtually untouchable.

My opinion is he "should" be "untouchable" when it comes to mentioning the
words "white boiy" in a commentary on his city's environment when discussing
a verdict he has just given.

Lonnie says:

"white boy" is racist. Judge is supposed to be impartial. Jail the judge for mis-using his power.

But the truth is the judge is only supposed to be impartial when
deciding on a case and it's only truly "partial" in a case
where the guy's decision is affected solely by skin color.

I don't see this happening here. The judge guy made what COULD
be "considered" a racist statement... but regardless of how that's
interpreted.... it was COMMENTARY and not a "reasoning" as in:
Oh, this guy is "white" so lock him up SOLELY for that reason....
there was a CRIME comitted here too, ya know? That has to be factored in.

[Zemo]

"white boy" is racist. Judge is supposed to be impartial. Jail the judge for mis-using his power.

Absolutely, It stops right there. If a white judge said the reverse, it would be on the news for a week.

Also people forget that cops over charge people all the time, so it will be reduced and they plea out with no trial. The cop in this case agreed to the plea deal, so there you have it.

[huedell]

Absolutely, It stops right there. If a white judge said the reverse, it would be on the news for a week.

It'd only "be on the news for a week" because of a load of PC bull that
distracts from the actual poignant things in this case.

It's inconsequential that things'd be on the news for a week... or an hour...
or whatever....it's just words a judge said regarding the state of the
community... or the state of how black boys are treated in comparison to
white boys and vice versa.

Those that are MAKING this a race issue are the only ones guilty of anything
negative regarding race.

Also people forget that cops over charge people all the time, so it will be reduced and they plea out with no trial. The cop in this case agreed to the plea deal, so there you have it.

...and the judge overturned it... and from what I've read so far, I LIKE how this judge does his work... so I'm actually glad (at this point) of the outcome
as back & forth complicated as it seems it was.

[Zemo]

It'd only "be on the news for a week" because of a load of PC bull that
distracts from the actual poignant things in this case.

It's inconsequential that things'd be on the news for a week... or an hour...
or whatever....it's just words a judge said regarding the state of the
community... or the state of how black boys are treated in comparison to
white boys and vice versa.

Those that are MAKING this a race issue are the only ones guilty of anything
negative regarding race.



...and the judge overturned it... and from what I've read so far, I LIKE how this judge does his work... so I'm actually glad (at this point) of the outcome
as back & forth complicated as it seems it was.

It was a racist statement, The Judge had to recuse himself and a new judge excepted the plea deal. The cop agreed that, that was fine for what the accused Actually Did.