Still no KISS in the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame

[david_b]

I always admired how KISS brought theatrics back into stage shows.., perhaps on a more accessable way and much-larger scope than Queen, Bowie and Elton John. Probably the best of the 'glam-rock' era, but with 'more teeth' in the music.

Loved the concept of their 4 solo albums being released together, while they were still on the top of the charts as a group. That seemed pretty innovative, marketing-wise.

david_b

[Adam West]

I'm not a Madonna fan, but:

From Wikipedia: "Madonna has sold more than 300 million records worldwide and is recognized as the world's top-selling female recording artist of all time"

She's also had several # 1 hits in three decades. Again, I don't really care about her musically, but her success is pretty remarkable. Her record sales are basically 3 times KISS' sales.

As for the Beastie Boys, I'm a little surprised you guys don't know the album "Paul's Boutique" (their second album). It wasn't a big seller when it came out, but it's often sited as one the the most influential albums in Hip-Hop and is frequently on 'Best Albums of All Time' lists. They were also a HUGE band in the 90s.

I was actually going to name the song "Hey Ladies" which isn't on Licensed to Ill. I actually do hear a lot of bands (and I my brain is failing me when an artist takes another artists sound and places it into their song...it's not a cover...it will come to me) but I do hear a lot of Beastie Boy beats in quite a few contemporary songs.

Ironically, outside of the Beatles, Kiss is one of few bands where I can name every single original band member (and I don't even consider myself a die hard Kiss fan)...just really liked them when I was in Elementary School

[Mikey]

I'm not a huge Madonna fan, but I could accept her being in there for a few reasons.

1. They need some females and Madonna is about the most popular singer ever (male or female)

2. Love them or hate them she did have quite a few "hits"

I think a lot of people dismiss Madonna because she don't play an instrument - (at least not the kind that can be shown to general audiences)

[kingdom warrior]

The Rock and Roll HOF is full of it......I don't care or acknowledge it as anything.

[megojim]

Haved loved KISS since 7th grade . . . . .
They have contributed in many ways . . . Are they RUSH? no, not even close, but that doesn't exclude the ground breaking marketing and personafication that they established for people like Madonna and Lady Gagme

I look at their music like a good action flick that's fun to watch but never gets an award, it's just plain fun to listen to them.

[Riffster]

Simmons did discover Van halen

Madonna isn't Rock, but since they've let rappers in i guess anyone can get in. wasn't Abba on the ballot last year?

[Brazoo]

the band I can't believe anyone cares to honor is J. Geils Band. They're the real odd men out to me.


I think the Beastie Boys are great - though I'm also surprised to see them nominated - but I do think they deserve a lot of credit. Also I believe MCA (one of the members) is struggling with cancer - so that may have been an unfortunate motivation for them to honor them.

For their best stuff check out "Paul's Boutique", "Check Your Head" and "I'll Communications". Those three albums are top notch, and HUGELY influential.

You guys all probably know the song "Sabotage" from Guitar Hero and the scene in "Star Trek" when brat Kirk drives his step-dad's vintage car off the cliff.

[stevenlore]

I've lost all respect for the RnRHOF. No Kiss. No King Crimson. I only thank them for getting Talking Heads together the one last time.

[The Toyroom]

Here's the thing for me....Madonna definitely deserves to be in there for being a suceessful ar****t and for inspiring a generation as well as many other artists (Alainis Morisette, Britney Spears, Christina Aguliera, Lady Gaga, et al). I'm not as familiar with acts like The Beastie Boys or LL Cool J but they're obviously pioneers of what became hip hop.

That being said, I think the HOF was too quick to rush them in so soon after they first became eligible....25 years after their first release. To me there should be a "learning curve"..yes you can be eligible after 25 years BUT if there are other artists that are as deserving who paved the way FIRST, well you'll just have to wait your turn. And for some it may be a slower wait than others.

But the HOF is in a rush it seems to move on to the next "big thing"...at the expense of a lot of good bands and artists who got quickly passed over because a new flavor or decade came upon us...

[generic]

Well - if you're basing things on LP sales Neil Diamond and KISS are about par - and that doesn't account for the huge hits Diamond wrote for others - that's just from his recording career.

I only mentioned their album sales because of the comment that when they tried to go without the make-up, no one bought it. The sales numbers were just to make the point that people literally 'bought' it. So, I didn't mean at all to say that HOF should make decisions based on numbers. Hell, The Ramones didn't sell all that many records, but they were hugely influential in the genre of Punk (and I would argue that they were the godfathers of Punk even though there were artists before them that could easily be argued were Punk).

Perhaps, but Kiss is STILL only an average band. I mean, the Beatles sold 1.3 BILLION albums world wide as of 2004, and they stopped recording together in 1969. THAT, is Hall Of Fame material. To me, Kiss is just 4 Alice Cooper's.

As I said before; no one else is The Beatles! And again, my point about the numbers was only to illustrate that people were indeed buying KISS' albums after the make up came off.

I'm not a Madonna fan, but:

From Wikipedia: "Madonna has sold more than 300 million records worldwide and is recognized as the world's top-selling female recording artist of all time"

She's also had several # 1 hits in three decades. Again, I don't really care about her musically, but her success is pretty remarkable. Her record sales are basically 3 times KISS' sales.

As for the Beastie Boys, I'm a little surprised you guys don't know the album "Paul's Boutique" (their second album). It wasn't a big seller when it came out, but it's often sited as one the the most influential albums in Hip-Hop and is frequently on 'Best Albums of All Time' lists. They were also a HUGE band in the 90s.

I'm not arguing that either Madonna or The Beastie Boys shouldn't be in the HOF, I just used them as examples to refute points that were made as to why KISS shouldn't be in the HOF.

Loved the concept of their 4 solo albums being released together, while they were still on the top of the charts as a group. That seemed pretty innovative, marketing-wise.

Oh yeah, I always thought that was an awesome solution to the problems they were having keeping Ace in the band at the time. Obviously it didn't work out in the end, but it did get Ace on a few more albums...or at least in the credits even if he wasn't the guy playing in the studio.

I've lost all respect for the RnRHOF. No Kiss. No King Crimson. I only thank them for getting Talking Heads together the one last time.

Oh yeah, don't even get me started on King Crimson not being in the HOF! I know they didn't have the hit songs, but talk about an influential band! Still, I think KISS and Rush should both be in the HOF before King Crimson.

[Brazoo]

I'm not arguing that either Madonna or The Beastie Boys shouldn't be in the HOF, I just used them as examples to refute points that were made as to why KISS shouldn't be in the HOF.

Oh, I totally got that - I wasn't trying to argue with you either - I was just adding some points.

KISS will make it eventually - it would be crazy if they didn't.

Toyroom: I think it just makes sense from a marketing point of view for the RRHOF to get some hip-hop artists in quick. it's all about getting people in the museum and buying t-shirts, and without hip-hop they're excluding a lot of people.

[EmergencyIan]

Still no:

Chicago

Doobie Brothers

Three Dog Night

Jim Croce

America

Hall & Oates

- Ian

PS. And don't say it's because they're not "Rock" when Madonna and Raps groups are getting in.

Also no:

Boston

Journey

Stix

Jethro Tull

Heart

Dire Straits

Electric Light Orchestra (ELO)

The Cars

The Steve Miller Band

The Guess Who

Foreigner

Badfinger

T. Rex

Squeeze

Supertramp

Steppenwolf

Def Leppard

The Cure

Grand Funk Railroad

The list goes on.

In my opinion, all of these groups deserve to be in just as much, if not more, than anyone else who was nominated this year. By the way, I love KISS, as well, and believe that they should have been inducted upon their first year of eligibility.


- Ian

[apes3978]

Well said, my sentiments exactly...

And on a final note (and again just my opinion) "rock and roll" came to an end right around 1959. Everything after that is still rock but just no where near what "Rock N Roll" was at it's core. The energy and drive of the 50's era was lost somewhere between "Surf City" and "Please, please me."

[kingdom warrior]

And on a final note (and again just my opinion) "rock and roll" came to an end right around 1959. Everything after that is still rock but just no where near what "Rock N Roll" was at it's core. The energy and drive of the 50's era was lost somewhere between "Surf City" and "Please, please me."

Well said Daddy O" Rock n' Roll is 50's music.

[Mikey]

Back in the 50's there was a lot of Rock and Roll styles too.

Doo-Wop
Hillybilly Rock (Elvis)
Country Rock (Conway Twitty)
White bread Rock (teen idols)
Individual unnamed styles (Bo Diddley)
Big Band crossovers
Pure Rock and Roll (Chuck Berry)
Rap (Big Bopper)
Etc