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  • Vortigern99
    Scholar/Gentleman/Weirdo
    • Jul 2, 2006
    • 1539

    #46
    Since we're currently in the business of explaining our posts: Daremo, I failed to realize that your initial post was meant to be sarcastic and/or humorous. I had a knee-jerk response to what seemed like anti-gay rhetoric ('OMG!'; 'SHOCKED!'), for which, having now been made to understand the irony involved, I heartily apologize.

    Signed, 'Mr. Serious Pants'

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    • Daremo
      METALHEAD
      • Mar 24, 2005
      • 1084

      #47
      Originally posted by Vortigern99
      Since we're currently in the business of explaining our posts: Daremo, I failed to realize that your initial post was meant to be sarcastic and/or humorous. I had a knee-jerk response to what seemed like anti-gay rhetoric ('OMG!'; 'SHOCKED!'), for which, having now been made to understand the irony involved, I heartily apologize.

      Signed, 'Mr. Serious Pants'
      It was my fault. I need to remember the emoticons!

      Like I said, I know the series is huge and popular, but I can't believe this makes front page news, and stirs up controversy. It's 2007, and I think gay relationships are more openly accepted today, more then ever (even though there is a long way to go) I'm just not sure what the motive was behind releasing this information now. It has to be some sort of marketing scheme, but I guess I just don't get why.

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      • danadoll
        Micronaut Nut!
        • Apr 11, 2005
        • 1852

        #48
        Hmmm...I don't have a problem with Dumbledore's sexual preferrence.

        As for folks saying they like their story book characters asexual, guess what....You're all missing something...The fact that almost everyone of them throughout history is portrayed as heterosexual! Were Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, The Little Mermaid and any other storybook lass and their respective princes living "happily ever after" together, all asexual? Something to think about.

        Dana
        Last edited by danadoll; Oct 26, '07, 11:12 AM.
        "Do you want a doll?" Kurt

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        • Chris DVM
          Veterinarian Member
          • Jun 18, 2001
          • 2577

          #49
          Hey,
          To me, it's not the fact that she wrote him as gay, but that it has come out now that the series is over, as an afterthought almost. Like many have said, I could care less what his preferences are. But now that the last words have been written, what is the point of bringing it up?
          Does it really forward the books? Not really. Does it help to wrap up any loose ends? Not really. Does it enhance or change the way people will read the books? Maybe, but I dought it seriously.
          So then why? It is her perogative to do anything she wants with the characters, before or after. However, she knows that this will probably alienate more people to her books than will make fans. Why then do this as an afterthought?
          Regardless of the reasons, it doesn't change anything about the books with me. They are a fantastic read and I plan on enjoying them with my kids as they grow up.
          Chris DVM
          "The more I get to know people, the better I like my dog." - Mark Twain

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          • johnmiic
            Adrift
            • Sep 6, 2002
            • 8427

            #50
            Originally posted by ABMAC
            Dumbledore was already a character worthy of respect before this announcement, right? It shouldn't change anything, but Rowling knows that people will rethink the character now, this time filtered through their prejudices and phobias. For some, it'll change their level of acceptance of gay characters, whether positively or negatively. It's sensationalism at its worst because it will do as much harm as good. I'm sure it will sell more copies of the books.
            I agree with Anthony on this point except that rather than sell more books accross america copies of Harry Potter books will be removed from library & bookstore shelves and burned/banned. When the series first became popular many Christians in the USA took a hard line against the books trying to say they violated their religious beliefs by teaching black arts, aka magic. Now that a major character who is respected and loved by kids is revealed to be gay-they won't stand for it. I hear grumblings from friends of mine about Captain Jack on Doctor Who being bi-sexual. This wont survive in certain parts of the country.
            Last edited by johnmiic; Oct 26, '07, 11:36 AM.

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            • ABMAC
              User
              • May 16, 2002
              • 9665

              #51
              Originally posted by danadoll
              As for folks saying they like their story book characters asexual, guess what....You're all missing something...The fact that almost everyone of them throughout history is portrayed as heterosexual! Were Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, The Little Mermaid and any other storybook lass and their respective princes living "happily ever after" together, all asexual? Something to think about.
              All of the characters you cited fell in love in their respective stories. What about the seven dwarves, the fairy godmother, et al? They are asexual and should remain so.

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              • danadoll
                Micronaut Nut!
                • Apr 11, 2005
                • 1852

                #52
                Why do people have to be that stupid, though? Here's an idea...If they don't like the books or what they have in them...Don't buy them, don't check them out of the library and shouldn't let their children watch the films.

                Dana
                "Do you want a doll?" Kurt

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                • ABMAC
                  User
                  • May 16, 2002
                  • 9665

                  #53
                  Originally posted by johnmiic
                  I agree with Anthony on this point except that rather than sell more books accross america copies of Harry Potter books will be removed from library & bookstore shelves and burned/banned. When the series first became popular many Christians in the USA took a hard line against the books trying to say they violated their religious beliefs by teaching black arts, aka magic. Now that a major character who is respected and loved by kids is revealed to be gay-they won't stand for it. I hear grumblings from friends of mine about Captain Jack on Doctor Who being bi-sexual. This wont survive in certain parts of the country.
                  The libraries won't remove the books themselves, but "concerned citizens" will borrow them and never return them. Then the libraries will order more copies, and the cycle will continue until the library gives in.

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                  • danadoll
                    Micronaut Nut!
                    • Apr 11, 2005
                    • 1852

                    #54
                    Originally posted by ABMAC
                    All of the characters you cited fell in love in their respective stories. What about the seven dwarves, the fairy godmother, et al? They are asexual and should remain so.
                    Supporting characters?....But Cinderella's stepmother and two stepsisters were straight, as were Sleeping Beauty's parents, Papa and Mama Bear in Goldilocks, Snow White's evil stepmother, even Little Red Riding Hood's mother and Grandmother.

                    A few characters are asexual...Most are straight/heterosexual, especially if there is any indication of a romantic relationship (past or present) in the story...This includes the supporting characters in many fairy tales and other children's stories.
                    "Do you want a doll?" Kurt

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                    • danadoll
                      Micronaut Nut!
                      • Apr 11, 2005
                      • 1852

                      #55
                      Originally posted by ABMAC
                      The libraries won't remove the books themselves, but "concerned citizens" will borrow them and never return them. Then the libraries will order more copies, and the cycle will continue until the library gives in.
                      Yeah...It makes me wonder about this country sometimes and it's supposed "freeness". You're only as free as special interests groups allow you to be (whether they be Gay, Straight, Christian, Muslim, etc...). Everything offends somebody and somebodies are invariably offended by something or someone.

                      Dana
                      "Do you want a doll?" Kurt

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                      • ABMAC
                        User
                        • May 16, 2002
                        • 9665

                        #56
                        Originally posted by danadoll
                        Supporting characters?....But Cinderella's stepmother and two stepsisters were straight, as were Sleeping Beauty's parents, Papa and Mama Bear in Goldilocks, Snow White's evil stepmother, even Little Red Riding Hood's mother and Grandmother.

                        A few characters are asexual...Most are straight/heterosexual, especially if there is any indication of a romantic relationship (past or present) in the story...This includes the supporting characters in many fairy tales and other children's stories.
                        Yes, parents and grandparents are usually straight. Duh.

                        When a character has romantic rivals, making them gay is pointless unless they're all gay. Having Cinderella's stepbrother vying for the (straight) prince's affections would only make him look ridiculous. Gay villains would be seen as gay-bashing.

                        Rather than worrying about characters like Dumbledore and Cinderella that have already been written, authors who want to see more mainstream gay characters portrayed in children's literature should try writing stories that contain gay characters.

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                        • cjefferys
                          Duke of Gloat
                          • Apr 23, 2006
                          • 10180

                          #57
                          Originally posted by ABMAC
                          What about the seven dwarves, the fairy godmother, et al? They are asexual and should remain so.
                          I agree. I really don't want to think of the seven dwarves as sexual beings, that just freaks me out for some reason.

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                          • Merlyn1976
                            Fist of Khonshu
                            • Mar 29, 2005
                            • 6042

                            #58
                            "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

                            In the Southeast Pacific, lies the sunken city of R'Leyh. There lies C'thulhu waits to return to our world with the other Great Old Ones. A hideous creature of enormous size and alien power, it waits for it's time to return patiently. For it has all the time in the world while it waits for the stars.

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                            • Johnny
                              Salty
                              • Oct 1, 2003
                              • 3369

                              #59

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                              • JDeRouen
                                Author of Small Things
                                • Jun 14, 2001
                                • 16568

                                #60
                                I agree with what Dave said - once the books is published, it's irrelevant what the author has to say about the characters. If it wasn't in the books, it doesn't exist.

                                That said, I never really thought about Dumbledore's sexuality while reading the books and don't really care now one way or the other. The fact that Rowling considered him gay doesn't bother me at all, nor would it have bothered me if he'd actually been portrayed as gay in the books. In fact, it might have been a nice change of pace.

                                Joe
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