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  • saildog
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    Originally posted by huedell
    EDITED TO ADD:
    BTW I totally disagreee with this:
    Over the years, I have encountered people that interpret that to mean you can't be one or the other. Well, hell, the quote clearly does not relate that, but it does leave open the belief that there is somehow a "right answer" and well, there clearly isn't.
    Maybe a "right answer" for Mia...but other than that...I don't see it.
    Well, all I can say to that is I can privately put you in contact with several of my good friends who hate The Beatles because they love Elvis...and they will point to QT for justification. They have a 21 year track record of making a pilgrimage to Graceland, so you can guess what side of the argument they will come down on.

    My friend Mark and I get shouted down on occasion when the subject comes up and Mark is an Elvis collector and Historian who happens to be a Beatles collector and Historian. He can tell you anything you want to know about Elvis or The Beatles. Somehow, they dismiss his Beatles penchant.

    The arguments never go too far because Mark is 6' 2" and a Cop who could kick all of our butts. (But, I hear the resentment when he isn't around.)
    Last edited by saildog; Jun 28, '10, 11:21 PM.

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  • huedell
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    Originally posted by saildog
    By the way, Hue, I wish we were neighbors because I would fully enjoy sitting out on the patio chewing over any of number of subjects with you.
    Funny you should say that saildog 'cause I use the word "dichotomy"
    all the time, and "disparity", "paradox", "catch-22" all the time...

    but you really had me thinking with this last post you made especially.

    I am a very excited individual who likes to pick others brains...
    so when I saw you giving a better anecdotal-type definition
    of the word "dichotomy"...right away I was like: "THIS is the stuff
    of a huedellesque thought process, and wouldn't it be cool to follow
    up on that in person."

    Any time you're in L.A.....give me a call!

    I can't remember if I treated Austin to dinner the night
    we met out here... but I SHOULD have for a MM guy! That goes for you or
    anybody!

    Cheers!

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  • saildog
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    Originally posted by huedell
    However, that mindset is virtually kinda alien to my paradigm, so
    please take that into consideration.
    I can totally understand and I fully realize that my point of reference is skewed. However, in daily life, I am used to dealing with people that get "dichotomy".

    I come from a State that is overwhelmingly registered Democrats, but almost always votes for a Republican for President. We are mostly Baptist, when we go to Church, but Heaven help us if we recognize each other in the Liquor Store....except that the other side of the family is German Catholic and, "So what...I'm in the Liquor Store?!". We appear White, but most of us can't pipe up too much in those arguments because we are from some Native American tribe, or in my case, also of Jewish decent, and there are many of us here who are made up of many different races and nationalities.

    My long way of saying, "I am very used to having a dual mind about many given subjects AND I am used to dancing around a conversation with people who understand that principle.".

    By the way, Hue, I wish we were neighbors because I would fully enjoy sitting out on the patio chewing over any of number of subjects with you.
    Last edited by saildog; Jun 28, '10, 10:39 PM.

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  • huedell
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    Originally posted by saildog
    I fully get the quote.

    I can't make the choice and he never explained what the choice tells him about a person...only that one must choose one way or another to make some kind of impression. What was that impression?

    Over the years, I have encountered people that interpret that to mean you can't be one or the other. Well, hell, the quote clearly does not relate that, but it does leave open the belief that there is somehow a "right answer" and well, there clearly isn't.

    The "choice" means bupkis (without the explanation of what makes it significant).
    Okay, okay...I'll freely admit that "not making a choice" is an option that negates QT's dialogue... I take back what I said about you "not getting it".

    However, that mindset is virtually kinda alien to my paradigm, so
    please take that into consideration.

    Also, please take into consideration that being "equally a
    Beatles Man and an Elvis Man" says a lot about the kind of person
    you are as well. And since that was what QT was getting at in the first
    place...it's pretty possible to accept that choice as being
    just as insightful about human behavior in spite of that choice not
    getting mentioned in the dialogue.

    EDITED TO ADD:
    BTW I totally disagreee with this:
    Over the years, I have encountered people that interpret that to mean you can't be one or the other. Well, hell, the quote clearly does not relate that, but it does leave open the belief that there is somehow a "right answer" and well, there clearly isn't.
    Maybe a "right answer" for Mia...but other than that...I don't see it.
    Last edited by huedell; Jun 28, '10, 9:20 PM.

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  • saildog
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    Originally posted by huedell
    Read the quote again...you misunderstood it.

    He actually SAYS what you're saying.

    No wonder he cut it from the finished movie... it's probably too hard
    for most people to get on first listen/read.
    I fully get the quote.

    I can't make the choice and he never explained what the choice tells him about a person...only that one must choose one way or another to make some kind of impression. What was that impression?

    Over the years, I have encountered people that interpret that to mean you can't be one or the other. Well, hell, the quote clearly does not relate that, but it does leave open the belief that there is somehow a "right answer" and well, there clearly isn't.

    The "choice" means bupkis (without the explanation of what makes it significant).
    Last edited by saildog; Jun 28, '10, 8:15 PM.

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  • huedell
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    Originally posted by saildog
    I love QT, but on this subject, we have to remember that he was young when he relayed this postulation.

    Time....and experience has revealed to me that one can be both a Beatles fan and an Elvis fan.
    Read the quote again...you misunderstood it.

    He actually SAYS what you're saying.

    No wonder he cut it from the finished movie... it's probably too hard
    for most people to get on first listen/read.

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  • Mego Superboy Prime
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    Elvis is the king of kings.

    End of thread.

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  • saildog
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    Originally posted by huedell
    In that context Mike.

    I just happened to like TARANTINO's take on it...
    pop culturally insightful to the extreme....
    Now I'm gonna ask you a bunch of
    quick questions I've come up with
    that more of less tell me what kind
    of person I'm having dinner with.
    My theory is that when it comes to
    important subjects, there's only
    two ways a person can answer. For
    instance, there's two kinds of
    people in this world, Elvis people
    and Beatles people. Now Beatles
    people can like Elvis. And Elvis
    people can like the Beatles. But
    nobody likes them both equally.
    Somewhere you have to make a
    choice. And that choice tells me
    who you are.
    I love QT, but on this subject, we have to remember that he was young when he relayed this postulation.

    Time....and experience has revealed to me that one can be both a Beatles fan and an Elvis fan. Now, that in no way dampens my appreciation of QT. On the contrary, it teaches me that I have come a long way in my understanding of things and I have to wonder what QT understands about dichotomy at this point in his life, as well.

    Given that he is a pretty smart fellow, I bet he probably understood this at the time he wrote it and his words were not a true reflection of opinion, but merely an observation of how humans tend to like to be recognized by differences rather than similarities.
    Last edited by saildog; Jun 28, '10, 7:56 PM.

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  • megoapesnut
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    Originally posted by kingdom warrior
    HUGE HUGE HUGE Elvis fan!!! I still remember sitting in front of my Dad's color TV and my whole family watching Aloha from Hawaii. My very first album was the live album Aloha from Hawaii

    My wife this past christmas bought me an Ipod and loaded every Elvis song on to it....
    Yeah, Aloha from Hawaii is the best Elvis album PERIOD. I have the live concert on VHS, laserdisc and DVD. I wore the VHS tape out and my laserdisc player is buggy so I hope the DVD lasts!

    Funny story about that album. I had a lot of ELVIS records when I was a kid and one day my mom brought home Aloha from Hawaii. At the time I never really liked live albums, I thought the applause was too annoying. When I put the first record on (Aloha is a double record set) I was heart broken when I realized it was live. Then I gave it a chance and listened and I was SPELLBOUND. It quickly became my favorite and none has surpassed it since. Totally changed my thinking on live music as well. Now I much prefer live music from any of my favorite bands/artists. In fact, I think that live music is a true test of a band or artist. If they sound better live, they are a true talent. If they sound much worse live, then they are not (probably because the producer mixed the crap out of their voice because it sucks).

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  • megoapesnut
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    Originally posted by Mikey01
    The Beatles were fans of Elvis ....
    Elvis sung Beatles songs at his concerts ...

    There is no Elvis vs Beatles
    Elvis' rendition of Yesterday on tour is one of my top 10 favorite tunes. Shawn does it REALLY well too.

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  • LadyZod
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    Love Elvis, and in fact everytime this one particular Elvis impersonator is in town we catch his show. Elvis Wade... looks and sounds like what the king would have looked and sounded like if he had made it into his 50's or so.

    Funny thing, he's married to Sandy Posey, who actually sang back-up for Elvis a few times.

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  • kingdom warrior
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    HUGE HUGE HUGE Elvis fan!!! I still remember sitting in front of my Dad's color TV and my whole family watching Aloha from Hawaii. My very first album was the live album Aloha from Hawaii

    My wife this past christmas bought me an Ipod and loaded every Elvis song on to it....

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  • Hector
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    I'm not really a huge fan...but I like and respect him.

    My mom on the other hand...is a big Elvis groupie...she calls him the world's most handsome man ever...

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  • jp1969
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    I grew up on Elvis,was always played in our house.
    Still to this day,Elvis is present in my house.
    Elvis is THE king here.

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  • huedell
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    Originally posted by Mikey01
    The Beatles were fans of Elvis ....
    Elvis sung Beatles songs at his concerts ...

    There is no Elvis vs Beatles
    In that context Mike.

    I just happened to like TARANTINO's take on it...
    pop culturally insightful to the extreme....
    Now I'm gonna ask you a bunch of
    quick questions I've come up with
    that more of less tell me what kind
    of person I'm having dinner with.
    My theory is that when it comes to
    important subjects, there's only
    two ways a person can answer. For
    instance, there's two kinds of
    people in this world, Elvis people
    and Beatles people. Now Beatles
    people can like Elvis. And Elvis
    people can like the Beatles. But
    nobody likes them both equally.
    Somewhere you have to make a
    choice. And that choice tells me
    who you are.

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