Conspiracy Theories?

[Sowth]

Once you've worked in or with Government you quickly come to realise that they are unable to keep Judy from Reception's surprise birthday cake a secret, let alone conspiracies of the magnitude mentioned here.

[Sideshow Spock]

I don't believe any of them. Too many shows have been either on History Channel or National Geographic that have shot most of these down.

Agreed. There was an excellent one a couple years ago that detailed the Kennedy assassination and broke down all the most popular "myths" of the various conspiracy theories. In the end the facts supported Oswald acting alone.

Some of the other wackadoo BS like the moon/holocaust stuff isn't even worth discussion.

[Mod Style]

Don't forget the conspiracy to frame O.J.!

[txteach]

This thread has turned interesting. Never heard the conspiracy theory that Bryan brought up about the plane desintegrating. I'm real happy everyone has been very civil about their comments.

[Megotu]

One of the issues of Holocaust denial, unrelated to the insult to millions of murder victims, is its deep ties to Neo-Nazism.

[SlipperyLilSuckers]

Watch

That pretty much says it all for me...

Interesting thread John.

And thanks for this link Botzwana, I found it very interesting.

[Brazoo]

9/11, even if I let a LOT go (hijackers really did take over planes, hijacker's passport really did survive the crash, black boxes really were not found, twin towers really did fall without "help", building 7 really did fall because of debris from twin towers, BBC News really did not know building 7 would fall when they reported it fallen while it was still standing in the background, and more) . . . I am STILL left in total disbelief that the alleged plane that struck the Pentagon was the FIRST airplane in aviation history to "disintegrate upon impact" (that's the OFFICIAL story), leaving not a single shred of metal behind.

There is video evidence. Too bad we only get to see about twenty frames. You can see some white light and something exploding.

I always thought that conspiracy theorists claimed that United Flight 93 was the plane that the government said disintegrated - not plane that hit the Pentagon. I think I remember that "Loose Change" claimed the debris was planted.

What "official story" are they sourcing anyway? The 9/11 commission Report doesn't talk about planes disintegrating at all.

[LadyZod]

Having read most major conspiracy authors, and watched more conspiracy shows than anyone in their right mind would ever admit to... I have come to terms with a few things:

1. JFK was killed by one gunman, located on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. Was that gunman Lee Harvey Oswald? I don't know. It could have been. Or it could have been an assassin. All I know is the gunman didn't have to be good. He just had to be lucky. If he was good, he would have delivered the killing shot the first time.

2. David Icke is a loon. Too many soccer balls to the head.

3. William Cooper is the best conspiiracy author of all time. He lived the gimmick, and died the gimmick.

4. Jim Marrs may be onto something, but his credibility is shot. I believe the Bilderberg group is a group of international bankers, politicians, social scientists, and natural scientists that meet for a global congress every year. Are they the king makers? Do they hold influence? Well, ya. But that has more to do with who they are individually more than who they could be as a group.

5. I believe Erich von Däniken's thesis regarding possible influence on this planet from offworld entities being recorded by early man as encounters with gods.

6. I do not believe the Passover Plot, but find it hard to argue against the theories presented in Holy Blood Boly Grail, and it does not shake my faith in the least.

7. 9/11 was not planned by our government. 9/11 caught us with our pants down. Unlike the bombing at Pearl Harbor (which has been recorded as being known about beforehand) to say that our government had advance knowledge is giving them entirely too much credit. Either the Bush administration was the smartest, most secured well oil machine ever to grace Washington DC with the implementation of 9/11, or it was the most assbackwards, clumsy, easily amused bunch of frat boys to ever hold the office. You can't have it both ways. They didn't plan 9/11. Their screw-ups following it and into the following years prooved it.

8. Princess Diana died because the driver was bad at driving fast. No conspiracy.

9. RFK was killed by a manchurian candidate. John Lennon was not.

10. The Freemasons are an adult frat. Could it be a recruiting ground for a larger group that controls goverments from the shadows? Sure. If your lodge is in Alexandria, VA and your fellow members include senators, congressmen and supreme court justices. If your lodge is in Peoria? Ya, good luck. I'm sure Artie, the owner of Artie's Used Cars and Alpacas will soon be the CEO of AIG. (He might though. Kiss up to him. Tell him I said hi.)

11. Tupac is dead. Michael Jackson is dead. Elvis is dead (if he wasn't when it was announced, he's dead now.)

12. 2012, the Apocalypse foretold in The Book of the Revelation of John, Gotterdammerung (Ragnarok), pretty much all end world prophesies: Overblown. I think of The Gods Must Be Crazy. A freakin' coke bottle was seen as a mystical gift from the gods. Show an rural peasant video footage of earthquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis, the atomic bomb... and how would you imagine they would describe what they have seen? Imagine sages of epochs past seeing these images in dreams and writing them down using the language at their disposal. An Atomic Bomb? Lighting from above. The utter destruction seen after Katrina? The Black Plague with bodies crowding streets... I'm just saying perhaps it's true, but we're just better prepared for it. 2012? It's already known that there will be an astrological event, with the aligning of the planets in our solar system. First time in how many years? Oh ya, first time since the day the Mayan Calendar started. So, ya. That's what they are telling us, in the language at their disposal.

Note: Not only have I read these books... I own them. Sad, I know.

[sauce]

9/11, even if I let a LOT go (hijackers really did take over planes, hijacker's passport really did survive the crash, black boxes really were not found, twin towers really did fall without "help", building 7 really did fall because of debris from twin towers, BBC News really did not know building 7 would fall when they reported it fallen while it was still standing in the background, and more) . . . I am STILL left in total disbelief that the alleged plane that struck the Pentagon was the FIRST airplane in aviation history to "disintegrate upon impact" (that's the OFFICIAL story), leaving not a single shred of metal behind.

There is video evidence. Too bad we only get to see about twenty frames. You can see some white light and something exploding.

[Brazoo]

The most intriguing conspiracy theory subject is "holocaust denial".

It's not so much the theory itself, but how it's handled by countries --- which in many countries in Europe it's illegal to believe the holocaust never happened.

You can actually be sent sent to jail if you claim the holocaust didn't happen.

While I think that holocaust denial is one of the most idiotic and morally repugnant conspiracy theories that exists I also strongly believe in free of speech. I'm sure this could evolve into a whole new debate on its own though.

[Brazoo]

9/11: IMHO there was no conspiracy, apart the one from the 19 terrorists.

Thats a good point. Conspiracies DO exist - it's just that any of the ones involving an invisible all powerful group get pretty crazy to me.

Basically anything Alex Jones or David Icke related is silly to me.

I'm kinda skeptical about how this thread isn't going to get super heated and political. Folks have already raised a few hot-button issues. I hope it can keep going though. I love conspiracy theories - I'm just very skeptical about most of the popular ones.

[jp1969]

I beleive conspiracies abound at all levels.
We are akin to sheep you know.......

[Joe90]

It's not so much the theory itself, but how it's handled by countries --- which in many countries in Europe it's illegal to believe the holocaust never happened.

That's probably because every European country was touched by the Holocaust and they probably feel that to claim it never happened has to be one of the most Criminally hateful things a person could dream up.

[jwyblejr]

I don't believe any of them. Too many shows have been either on History Channel or National Geographic that have shot most of these down.

[Mikey]

The most intriguing conspiracy theory subject is "holocaust denial".

It's not so much the theory itself, but how it's handled by countries --- which in many countries in Europe it's illegal to believe the holocaust never happened.

You can actually be sent sent to jail if you claim the holocaust didn't happen.