Conspiracy Theories?

[bizzaro megomauler]

Here's a good example of debunking one of the popular Roswell alien tech claims.

Conspiracy theorists claim Kevlar was created from the fabric remnant of an alien flight suit. One little problem with that, Kevlar was actually invented by chemist Stephanie Kwolek. She has 17 patents and was the fourth woman to have been inducted to the National Inventors Hall of Fame. It's an insult to her and all her hard work to give aliens credit for her inventions.

I think there are people that deserve credit for all their hard work, absolutely, but why could they not have been inspired to create things like silicone based microcircuitry, through the studies and conclusions of experimenting with alien technology. It is not to say people didn't work their butts off, it is a matter of where the creative thought processes were allowed to dwell upon things never before realized. There is just too much evolution in too short a time when it came to things like electronics, Lasers,and the like..

[Brazoo]

No one has still been able to adequately explain how certain extremely ancient structures on this planet were built using construction principles and astronomical knowledge that rival modern science's.

For example, the great pyramid of Giza was built so that one of its corners sits perfectly on the electromagnetic latitudinal and longitudinal axis of this planet. It is built out of limestone, a rock that has a HEAVY HEAVY concentration of silicone. This type of a structure, its composition, and its shape give off a significant amount of electro magnetic energy straight up into outer space... like a beacon of sorts.

I strongly disagree. I think there are a lot of great theories by historians about how they great pyramids were built. As for the electro magnetic energy theory - I've never heard that before. May I ask where you came across that info?

There are some people who, for years, have been revealing Nasa's coverup of the ancient pyramid structure ruins that have been discovered on Mars' Cendonia Complex and even on our moon. Nasa has routinely airbrushed out images of artificial structures on our moon in the topographical photos they could not surpress.

And quite a few Apollo astronauts have gone on record as saying that extraterrestrial craft flying in orbit around this planet have "buzzed" their own space craft during missions.

Personally I don't understand why NASA would cover up evidence of extra-terrestrials. Those people are struggling for funding right now, I think if anything they'd be tempted to make some evidence up to enliven the space program.

I also don't get this - All the examples (that I'm familiar with) of photos used as evidence of alien structures on other planets were taken by NASA - so if they knew about them and wanted to cover them up, why do they keep releasing them?

[Brazoo]

I think Penn and Teller's demonstration only served to give more credence to the belief that the fatal head shot that killed Kennedy must have come from the FRONT and NOT from behind!

If you watch their demonstration, you will note that the BLOWOUT of the melon occcurs on the opposite side from where the gun was fired. Freeze the slow-motion footage and you can clearly see this.

If their demonstration was supposedly an accurate example of what happened to Kennedy (shot from behind) , then the President's forehead and part of his face WOULD HAVE BEEN BLOWN OUTWARD. But that is NOT what happened.

The 8mm film shot by Abraham Zapruder and the subsequent autopsy photographs all show the same thing: The BACK of Kennedy's head blasted outward... a gruesome EXIT wound. Kennedy's face, was undamaged.

Penn and Teller's demonsration was actually filmed in the same directional continuity as the Zapruder film (Re: Supposed gun blast travels from frame left to frame right. Cantelope "faces" frame right)

But the problem of the BLOW OUT remains: When both films (Penn and Teller's and Zapruper's) are compared, the blowouts occur on opposite sides of the frame.

That tells me that in order to match the blowout seen in the Zapruder film (Re: toward frame left) , Penn and Teller needed to shoot the Cantelope from the OPPOSITE side... in other words, from the FRONT!

I'm trying to follow everything you're saying - sorry it's late!

I just reviewed a closeup clip of the Zapruder film on youtube, and to my eyes (without being too gruesome I hope) it looks like the blowout occurs around the area of the front right of his head.

So to my eyes the Penn & Teller footage fits:



I'm never put a lot of time into investigating JFK's assassination - so I've never seen the autopsy photos before - but since you mentioned them I googled them, and again, to me the wounds I saw seem totally consistent with what I interpreted watching the Zapruter film - the larger wound being located in front right of his head. Could you link me to your sources?

[Werewolf]

Here's a good example of debunking one of the popular Roswell alien tech claims.

Conspiracy theorists claim Kevlar was created from the fabric remnant of an alien flight suit. One little problem with that, Kevlar was actually invented by chemist Stephanie Kwolek. She has 17 patents and was the fourth woman to have been inducted to the National Inventors Hall of Fame. It's an insult to her and all her hard work to give aliens credit for her inventions.

[darklord1967]

The advances we have are thanks to the lifetimes of hard work, intelligence and dedication of human scientists and engineers. Not aliens.

Why are they mutually exclusive? Why could it not have been both?

No one has still been able to adequately explain how certain extremely ancient structures on this planet were built using construction principles and astronomical knowledge that rival modern science's.

For example, the great pyramid of Giza was built so that one of its corners sits perfectly on the electromagnetic latitudinal and longitudinal axis of this planet. It is built out of limestone, a rock that has a HEAVY HEAVY concentration of silicone. This type of a structure, its composition, and its shape give off a significant amount of electro magnetic energy straight up into outer space... like a beacon of sorts.

There are some people who, for years, have been revealing Nasa's coverup of the ancient pyramid structure ruins that have been discovered on Mars' Cendonia Complex and even on our moon. Nasa has routinely airbrushed out images of artificial structures on our moon in the topographical photos they could not surpress.

And quite a few Apollo astronauts have gone on record as saying that extraterrestrial craft flying in orbit around this planet have "buzzed" their own space craft during missions.

[LadyZod]

One final piece on JFK...

Forget the melon.

Watch the ballistics gel experiment. Watch a shooter recreate the "magic" bullet tumble. Watch an experienced coroner given the results of that recreation and come up with a multiple shooter scenario based on those results, and then watch his jaw drop when he's shown the video footage of it being ONE shooter.



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A Discovery Channel special "Unsolved History: JFK — Beyond the Magic Bullet", attempted to replicate, as well as possible, the conditions of that day. The participants set up blocks of ballistics gel with a substance similar to human bone inside. These studies showed that largely undeformed bullets were possible to produce, if they were slowed by a passage though a tissue-like substance before striking bone. Next, two mannequin figures made of ballistic anatomical substances (animal skin, gelatin, and interior bone-like cast) were set up in the exact relative position of JFK and Connally. A marksman, from a distance equal to that of the sixth floor of the Book Depository building, fired the same rifle model found in the Book Depository, using a round from the same batch of "Western Case Cartridge Company" 6.5x52 mm ammunition purchased with the surplus Carcano weapon in early 1963. The path of their single bullet (followed by high speed photography) duplicated, almost exactly, the wounds suffered by the victims that day, the only difference being that the bullet did not quite have enough energy to penetrate the "thigh" substance in front of the Connally figure, because it struck an extra bone in the "rib" model (i.e., it fractured 2 ribs in the model vs. one rib in Connally). It was also slightly more deformed than CE 399, possibly for the same reason. However, this bullet came close to duplicating all wounds in both men with a single shot, with a bullet having little deformation

[darklord1967]

To me it looks like the melon lurches up off the platform after the bullet goes through and then bounces in the direction of the shot. In any case, if the force of the bullet was moving the melon wouldn't it be rolling forward?

I think Penn and Teller's demonstration only served to give more credence to the belief that the fatal head shot that killed Kennedy must have come from the FRONT and NOT from behind!

If you watch their demonstration, you will note that the BLOWOUT of the melon occcurs on the opposite side from where the gun was fired. Freeze the slow-motion footage and you can clearly see this.

If their demonstration was supposedly an accurate example of what happened to Kennedy (shot from behind) , then the President's forehead and part of his face WOULD HAVE BEEN BLOWN OUTWARD. But that is NOT what happened.

The 8mm film shot by Abraham Zapruder and the subsequent autopsy photographs all show the same thing: The BACK of Kennedy's head blasted outward... a gruesome EXIT wound. Kennedy's face, was undamaged.

Penn and Teller's demonsration was actually filmed in the same directional continuity as the Zapruder film (Re: Supposed gun blast travels from frame left to frame right. Cantelope "faces" frame right)

But the problem of the BLOW OUT remains: When both films (Penn and Teller's and Zapruper's) are compared, the blowouts occur on opposite sides of the frame.

That tells me that in order to match the blowout seen in the Zapruder film (Re: toward frame left) , Penn and Teller needed to shoot the Cantelope from the OPPOSITE side... in other words, from the FRONT!

[Werewolf]

not exactly, they (scientists not Neandertals) would study it and arrive with advances within the realm of their understanding. It's not exaxtly reverse engineering.

It's an analogy.

Here's another one.

Modern science reverse-engineering/recreating/whatever broken technology from an alien crash thousands of years beyond our understanding is like ripping a motherboard out of a laptop then smashing and burning it and giving a piece of it to a blacksmith in the middle ages and expect them to figure out what it is/how it works and recreate it with their level of technology.

Again, not going to happen.

The advances we have are thanks to the lifetimes of hard work, intelligence and dedication of human scientists and engineers. Not aliens.

[bizzaro megomauler]

There was a show on the History Channel recently that debunks that myth. There were no leaps and bounds. Just dedicated men and women that worked hard their entire lives to develop these advances. To say aliens made that stuff is an insult to all their hard work and dedication.

Besides, there's no way we could even reverse engineer a broken piece of technology from an alien craft that is supposedly hundreds if not thousands years ahead of our technology. It would be like giving a few broken peices of a Blu-Ray player to a Neanderthal and expect them to make a new one. They wouldn't understand even what the hell it was let alone have the skills or technology to make a new one. Same with us on reverse-engineering broken alien tech centuries beyond our understanding.

Not going to happen.

not exactly, they (scientists not Neandertals) would study it and arrive with advances within the realm of their understanding. It's not exaxtly reverse engineering.

[bizzaro megomauler]

Nobody mentioned the who dropped the deuce in the urinal conspiracy

the hardly boys are on it, they said they were getting a clue???

Oh yeah there are tons of big oil conspiricies, There is one here on Long Island whereas JP Morgan had tesla comitted for trying to give away free power. Happened here on Long Island...

[johnmiic]

Has no-one heard of the Oil Conspiracy Theory? It was referenced in the Road Warrior movie. Paraphrased per IMDB: The tanker has a logo that says: 7 Sisters Oil. This is a reference to a conspiracy theory that Standard Oil and six other companies controlled the world oil market and bought the designs of a 200-MPG carburetor and and suppressed it's existence to keep their prices up.

[Mikey]

Nobody mentioned the who dropped the deuce in the urinal conspiracy

[kryptosmaster]

TxTeach is right and stated right from the beginning no politics.

Too late. Pandora's box has been opened. Just be glad I'm biting my tongue.
Rich

[Brazoo]

To me it looks like the melon lurches up off the platform after the bullet goes through and then bounces in the direction of the shot. In any case, if the force of the bullet was moving the melon wouldn't it be rolling forward?

[toyman]

WARNING - Graphic descriptions and some bad language. Please forgive me!

I have no experience with fire arms, but I did see this a little while ago. I'm not a huge fan of the show "Bullsh*t", but this demonstration might show how it's possible:

Penn Teller JFK Jet effect bull**** Lee Harvey Oswald

skepticwiki.org claims this: "Newtonian principle explains why JFK's head would have moved towards the shooter. The bullet doesn't meet much resistance as it enters and is going pretty much the same speed when it exits, but as it exits it also takes lots of pieces of skull and brain with it. This makes a kind of jet blast which propels the head in the opposite direction. This effect is easily confirmed by wrapping a melon in one-inch fibreglass tape and shooting it with a high-powered rifle. The melon actually moves toward the shooter"

If you use firearms regularly maybe you could recreate this experiment?

Just watching the video you can tell the melon just rolls backward after the impact because its a round item sitting on a flat surface,its not a jerking motion like J.F.K.'s head does.