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**jwyblejr** · Mar 24, '10, 12:18 AM

With Orton going face,there just are any real good heels any more. Jack Swagger had the makings for a great heel but has been pushed towards the bottom. Sheamus meh,I don't. In time maybe but not right now. All I know is they need to do something with Christian.

**BlackKnight** · Mar 24, '10, 12:24 AM

I just saw Batista in this Flick with Rob Van Damm .... The main character was RVD but Batista is billed the Main Character on the Cover ..., and Batista was really only in it towards the end ... Batista Made the Other Male Actor's in the Movie look like they were In High School. He was very, very Big, and used the F word just about every other word.

He has a 5 Minute Scene with this Chick ..., With Like Double G Boobies too.

... It was Toleratable ..., Naw, it was Horrible, but I had fun with it.

But RVD's wife was so Wrongly Casted ..., She was Fugly, as well as like a D Actor ..., Batista & RVD could both act better. lol.

**fallensaviour** · Mar 24, '10, 4:23 AM

The thing with bad guys/heels is in the beginning they are just bad then they reach a point where they become hilarious and people start to cheer for them even when they are doing bad things and then they become faces.
The beauty part of the gimmick is bad guys always go back to doing bad guy things while faces always go back to being faces.
It is a cycle and yes when they are going from bad to good they usually have a movie coming out,just try to remember back to the hogan years.

**Chris DVM** · Mar 24, '10, 4:26 AM

Hey,
So I'm going to a friends house this Sunday to watch Wrestlemania. As long as we are on this topic, what will the outcomes be?
1) MVP takes Money in the bank.
2) Big Show/Miz loose the titles, then MVP comes in with MITB and strips Miz of his other title. I think Miz is due for a double beat down
3) HBK ends the streak
4) Related news-Undertaker retires (overdue by about 2 years, but still sorry to see him go)
5) Jericho keeps the title
6) Cena beats Batista, but McMahon steps in on Monday and the belt goes back to Batista
7) Hart beats McMahon, then goes away. This story has gone on too long
8) Triple H beats Shamus
9) Unsure on Rey/Punk. Really cannot take Rey tagging along after Punk, but they might to the HBK/JBL kind of story line for a couple of months. I think this would ruin Rey, personally
10) Who did I miss?
Chris DVM

**Riffster** · Mar 24, '10, 5:16 AM

see I guess I'm in the minority, I like Cena, he's no different than Hogan, except he can wrestle if given a chance. his story lines just aren't that great.

Orton can bore me on the mic but he's great wrestling.

**Brown Bear** · Mar 24, '10, 5:50 AM

I think Randy would've fit in back in the glory days of the 80's as a good guy or bad guy. He's also my favorite today.

**TEXASFETT** · Mar 24, '10, 11:46 AM

Lots of great points on all the characters. I can't wait for wrestlemania ready to snap some pictures.

**toys2cool** · Mar 24, '10, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Hector

They been doing that for years now...and I always love it...

Bunch of haterz!! Cena rules

**BlackKnight** · Mar 24, '10, 12:42 PM

I like Cena ..., and He did some Impressive Stuff with Show ...
I just hate the Dude's Scripts ..., on How He consistantly Cryasses ..., then Feeds into the Crowd with His Rant ..., then Goes Psycho Nut's in almost a 7yr Old Yelling Act ... It's Pathedic..., and He needs some better Direction.

I love How Batista Say's He runs around Kissing Fat Women.

**fallensaviour** · Mar 24, '10, 1:34 PM

I think they totally blew this wreslemania.
They have in their stable the best there is,was and ever will be and could have had a smozzle with the hitman and orton to end another legend a true.I mean they could have escalated ortons career into the stratus sphere with that one...

I'm just saying is all his nickname is the legend killer and there is not to many legends walking around there.
I think orton could sell a match with hart alot better than vince is going to do.
Unless orton interferes with the match at wrestlemania to get back on vinces good side.

**jwyblejr** · Mar 24, '10, 1:36 PM

The Bret Hart match is going to stink on ice no matter how you look at it. After he had his stroke,people have had to treat him with kid gloves.

**TEXASFETT** · Mar 24, '10, 1:59 PM

The hart match is what it is just hope he goes balls out but he might have a limit.I really don't think that match will be long. In the future I would really love the warrior to put an *** whooping on Vince.I love to see warrior come back but with the lawsuits crap,would love see him go to Hall of Fame one day! But he rejected this year and that's stu hart was selected instead.Maybe next year!

**Hector** · Mar 24, '10, 3:08 PM

Originally posted by jwyblejr

The Bret Hart match is going to stink on ice no matter how you look at it. After he had his stroke,people have had to treat him with kid gloves.

Couldn't said it better myself.

**Hector** · Mar 24, '10, 3:17 PM

Originally posted by BlackKnight

I like Cena ..., and He did some Impressive Stuff with Show ...
I just hate the Dude's Scripts ..., on How He consistantly Cryasses ..., then Feeds into the Crowd with His Rant ..., then Goes Psycho Nut's in almost a 7yr Old Yelling Act ... It's Pathedic..., and He needs some better Direction.

I love How Batista Say's He runs around Kissing Fat Women.

That's exactly why I hate Cena...his wrestling persona...not his physical skills...the guy is indeed a powerhouse...pound-for-pound...the strongest wrestler in the WWE

However...like you said...it's the way he carries on...trying so hard to have the crowd on his side. Despite many in the crowd hating him, he still kissing up to the "WWE Universe"...plus his jokes are clearly straight from the book of wannabe the Rock 101. And when he goes all berserk, well, it rings false, he tries too hard to sound all baddass...but it just doesn't work with me.

You hit the nail on the head with Cena.

As for Batista...man...I'm liking him more and more as a heel...the guy is really starting to take off as a funny dude...lol.

**Hector** · Mar 24, '10, 3:40 PM

Originally posted by Chris DVM

Hey,
So I'm going to a friends house this Sunday to watch Wrestlemania. As long as we are on this topic, what will the outcomes be?
1) MVP takes Money in the bank.
2) Big Show/Miz loose the titles, then MVP comes in with MITB and strips Miz of his other title. I think Miz is due for a double beat down
3) HBK ends the streak
4) Related news-Undertaker retires (overdue by about 2 years, but still sorry to see him go)
5) Jericho keeps the title
6) Cena beats Batista, but McMahon steps in on Monday and the belt goes back to Batista
7) Hart beats McMahon, then goes away. This story has gone on too long
8) Triple H beats Shamus
9) Unsure on Rey/Punk. Really cannot take Rey tagging along after Punk, but they might to the HBK/JBL kind of story line for a couple of months. I think this would ruin Rey, personally
10) Who did I miss?
Chris DVM

I think you are mostly right on the money...except on a couple of things...in my humble opinion...I think the Undertaker's streak will remain...I think Michaels is the one who is retiring. Undertaker will be 18-0 in Wrestlemania.

As far as MITB...the last three standing will be Jack Swagger, Drew McIntyre, and Kofi Kingston...with Kofi Kingston surviving both heels...and winning MITB.

You forgot Randy Orton vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Ted DiBiase. The great Randy Orton will punish these two young punks...

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