Genesis

[Brazoo]

I agree with you - Collins was much more interested in the music for its own sake. I still think his music - especially some of the gimmicky songs - have dated worse overall which is why he gets a bit of a bad rap now. Tony Banks' synth sound collection adds to that datedness more than anything else I think.

Can we at least all agree that the Tyson scene in "The Hangover" with "In the Air Tonight" ruled?

[Zemo]

better singer, performer, and overall musician than Peter Gabriel

lol

Performer, you have got to be kidding?

[thunderbolt]

isn't this sort of like the David Lee Roth VS. Sammy Hagar arguement?

[Zemo]

isn't this sort of like the David Lee Roth VS. Sammy Hagar arguement?

Yea your right, Gilmore/Waters Roth/Hagar

[thunderbolt]

What was the movie that the Hagar Roth question was used to determine if a guy was a Narc?

[johnmiic]

Wasn't Gabriel suppossed to come back when Collins bowed out of a new album and tour in the 90's? What happened with that?

[Zemo]

What was the movie that the Hagar Roth question was used to determine if a guy was a Narc?

lol Airheads

"When Dave Roth left the band, where'd you go, with Hagar, or Roth?' The cop says Hagar, and they go, 'He's a cop!'"

[Mikey]

Khan was crazy about Genesis ....

Bodda-bang-bodda-boom

[darklord1967]

lol

Performer, you have got to be kidding?

No. I'm not kidding. Because I appreciate actual music... and not BS stage gimmicks and childish costumes.

Just look at any of Phil's live performances of classic Genesis tunes... "Land of Confusion", "Follow You Follow me", "Driving The Last Spike", "Home By The Sea", "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight", "Throwin' It All Away", "Mamma"... The man can THROW DOWN!!

And then when he went solo and did live performances of tender ballads like "Against All Odds", "If Leavin' Me Is Easy", "Long, Long Way to Go", and "Helpless Heart"...

...or show stoppers like "Sussudio", "Easy Lover", and "Two Hearts"...

... or his blues-inspired "I Wish It Would Rain Down" (one of the finest, most powerful recorded male performances you'll ever hear)

...or absolute signature performances like "In The Air Tonight" (where he even plays the drum solo at the end AND sings it at the same time). I dare you... DARE you not to tap your foot and bang your head at the 3:51 mark!

... or the spiritually uplifting "Take Me Home"...

Peter Gabriel doesn't even come close to touching Phil's raw emotional, spiritual, vocal, and yes... PERFORMANCE power... even by Gabriel's own admission.

By the time Gabriel left Genesis, he had been too busy wearing his crazy costumes, masks and bizzare get-ups which actually prevented him from getting close enough to his microphone to be heard properly at live performances!

The whole thing became so stupidly gimmicky, that the band was on the verge of implosion.

The BEST thing that could have happened to Genesis was Phil Collins becoming its front man when he did. Their collossal world-wide success post-Gabriel proves that.

And I certainly DO NOT prescribe to the strange notion that just because something is weird, psychadelic, non-traditional and avante guarde that it must be "deep and meaningful". Sometimes it's just self-indulgent, cynical crap. Likewise, I DO NOT necessarily accept the idea that just because something is immensely popular, that it must be shallow and have no substance... or that the artist has "sold out".

That is certainly, not the case with Phil, his music, his songs, or his live performances.

[Blue Meanie]

No. I'm not kidding. Because I appreciate actual music... and not BS stage gimmicks and childish costumes.

Just look at any of Phil's live performances of classic Genesis tunes... "Land of Confusion", "Follow You Follow me", "Driving The Last Spike", "Home By The Sea", "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight", "Throwin' It All Away", "Mamma"... The man can THROW DOWN!!

And then when he went solo and did live performances of tender ballads like "Against All Odds", "If Leavin' Me Is Easy", "Long, Long Way to Go", and "Helpless Heart"...

...or show stoppers like "Sussudio", "Easy Lover", and "Two Hearts"...

... or his blues-inspired "I Wish It Would Rain Down" (one of the finest recorded male performances you'll ever hear)

...or absolute signature performances like "In The Air Tonight" (where he even plays the drum solo at the end AND sings it at the same time), or the spiritually uplifting "Take Me Home"...

Peter Gabriel doesn't even come close to touching Phil's raw emotional, spiritual, vocal, and yes... PERFORMANCE power... even by Gabriel's own admission.

By the time Gabriel left Genesis, he was so busy wearing his crazy costumes, masks and bizzare get-ups which actually prevented him from getting close enough to his mic to be heard properly at live performances.

The whole thing became so stupidly gimmicky, that the band was on the verge of implosion.

The BEST thing that could have happened to Genesis was Phil Collins becoming its front man when he did. Their collossal world-wide success post-Gabriel proves that.

And I certainly DO NOT prescribe to the strange notion that just because something is weird, psychadelic, non-traditional and avante guarde that it must be deep and meaningful. Sometimes it's just self-indulgent crap. Likewise, I DO NOT necessarily accept the idea that just because something is immensely popular, that it must be shallow and have no substance.

That is not the case with Phil, his music, or his live performances.

I agree with everything you just posted...but you have to give Gabriel credit for this performance of Biko during the Amnesty International show at Giants stadium...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLg-8Jxi5aE

[darklord1967]

I agree with everything you just posted...but you have to give Gabriel credit for this performance of Biko during the Amnesty International show at Giants stadium...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLg-8Jxi5aE

Yes. Admittedly, I've gotta give it up there. That performance is an example of Gabriel's stronger vocal demonstrations.

And check out this cut performed live by Phil. It's called "No Son Of Mine" from a 1992 Genesis tour. I think its a prime example of Phil's sublime vocals.

[EmergencyIan]

I much prefer the Collins era Genesis.


- Ian

[Werewolf]

I hate to say it, but I've always found Phil Collin's voice really irritating for some reason. It's like nails on a chalk board for me. I just cannot sit through his singing. Kinda the same with Gabriel. That Sledgehammer song of his causes me physical pain when I hear it.