Genesis

[Werewolf]

I hate to say it, but I've always found Phil Collin's voice really irritating for some reason. It's like nails on a chalk board for me. I just cannot sit through his singing. Kinda the same with Gabriel. That Sledgehammer song of his causes me physical pain when I hear it.

[EmergencyIan]

I much prefer the Collins era Genesis.


- Ian

[darklord1967]

I agree with everything you just posted...but you have to give Gabriel credit for this performance of Biko during the Amnesty International show at Giants stadium...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLg-8Jxi5aE

Yes. Admittedly, I've gotta give it up there. That performance is an example of Gabriel's stronger vocal demonstrations.

And check out this cut performed live by Phil. It's called "No Son Of Mine" from a 1992 Genesis tour. I think its a prime example of Phil's sublime vocals.

[Blue Meanie]

No. I'm not kidding. Because I appreciate actual music... and not BS stage gimmicks and childish costumes.

Just look at any of Phil's live performances of classic Genesis tunes... "Land of Confusion", "Follow You Follow me", "Driving The Last Spike", "Home By The Sea", "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight", "Throwin' It All Away", "Mamma"... The man can THROW DOWN!!

And then when he went solo and did live performances of tender ballads like "Against All Odds", "If Leavin' Me Is Easy", "Long, Long Way to Go", and "Helpless Heart"...

...or show stoppers like "Sussudio", "Easy Lover", and "Two Hearts"...

... or his blues-inspired "I Wish It Would Rain Down" (one of the finest recorded male performances you'll ever hear)

...or absolute signature performances like "In The Air Tonight" (where he even plays the drum solo at the end AND sings it at the same time), or the spiritually uplifting "Take Me Home"...

Peter Gabriel doesn't even come close to touching Phil's raw emotional, spiritual, vocal, and yes... PERFORMANCE power... even by Gabriel's own admission.

By the time Gabriel left Genesis, he was so busy wearing his crazy costumes, masks and bizzare get-ups which actually prevented him from getting close enough to his mic to be heard properly at live performances.

The whole thing became so stupidly gimmicky, that the band was on the verge of implosion.

The BEST thing that could have happened to Genesis was Phil Collins becoming its front man when he did. Their collossal world-wide success post-Gabriel proves that.

And I certainly DO NOT prescribe to the strange notion that just because something is weird, psychadelic, non-traditional and avante guarde that it must be deep and meaningful. Sometimes it's just self-indulgent crap. Likewise, I DO NOT necessarily accept the idea that just because something is immensely popular, that it must be shallow and have no substance.

That is not the case with Phil, his music, or his live performances.

I agree with everything you just posted...but you have to give Gabriel credit for this performance of Biko during the Amnesty International show at Giants stadium...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLg-8Jxi5aE

[darklord1967]

lol

Performer, you have got to be kidding?

No. I'm not kidding. Because I appreciate actual music... and not BS stage gimmicks and childish costumes.

Just look at any of Phil's live performances of classic Genesis tunes... "Land of Confusion", "Follow You Follow me", "Driving The Last Spike", "Home By The Sea", "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight", "Throwin' It All Away", "Mamma"... The man can THROW DOWN!!

And then when he went solo and did live performances of tender ballads like "Against All Odds", "If Leavin' Me Is Easy", "Long, Long Way to Go", and "Helpless Heart"...

...or show stoppers like "Sussudio", "Easy Lover", and "Two Hearts"...

... or his blues-inspired "I Wish It Would Rain Down" (one of the finest, most powerful recorded male performances you'll ever hear)

...or absolute signature performances like "In The Air Tonight" (where he even plays the drum solo at the end AND sings it at the same time). I dare you... DARE you not to tap your foot and bang your head at the 3:51 mark!

... or the spiritually uplifting "Take Me Home"...

Peter Gabriel doesn't even come close to touching Phil's raw emotional, spiritual, vocal, and yes... PERFORMANCE power... even by Gabriel's own admission.

By the time Gabriel left Genesis, he had been too busy wearing his crazy costumes, masks and bizzare get-ups which actually prevented him from getting close enough to his microphone to be heard properly at live performances!

The whole thing became so stupidly gimmicky, that the band was on the verge of implosion.

The BEST thing that could have happened to Genesis was Phil Collins becoming its front man when he did. Their collossal world-wide success post-Gabriel proves that.

And I certainly DO NOT prescribe to the strange notion that just because something is weird, psychadelic, non-traditional and avante guarde that it must be "deep and meaningful". Sometimes it's just self-indulgent, cynical crap. Likewise, I DO NOT necessarily accept the idea that just because something is immensely popular, that it must be shallow and have no substance... or that the artist has "sold out".

That is certainly, not the case with Phil, his music, his songs, or his live performances.

[Mikey]

Khan was crazy about Genesis ....

Bodda-bang-bodda-boom

[Zemo]

What was the movie that the Hagar Roth question was used to determine if a guy was a Narc?

lol Airheads

"When Dave Roth left the band, where'd you go, with Hagar, or Roth?' The cop says Hagar, and they go, 'He's a cop!'"

[johnmiic]

Wasn't Gabriel suppossed to come back when Collins bowed out of a new album and tour in the 90's? What happened with that?

[thunderbolt]

What was the movie that the Hagar Roth question was used to determine if a guy was a Narc?

[Zemo]

isn't this sort of like the David Lee Roth VS. Sammy Hagar arguement?

Yea your right, Gilmore/Waters Roth/Hagar

[thunderbolt]

isn't this sort of like the David Lee Roth VS. Sammy Hagar arguement?

[Zemo]

better singer, performer, and overall musician than Peter Gabriel

lol

Performer, you have got to be kidding?

[Brazoo]

I agree with you - Collins was much more interested in the music for its own sake. I still think his music - especially some of the gimmicky songs - have dated worse overall which is why he gets a bit of a bad rap now. Tony Banks' synth sound collection adds to that datedness more than anything else I think.

Can we at least all agree that the Tyson scene in "The Hangover" with "In the Air Tonight" ruled?

[darklord1967]

I am just curious.
Genesis today is usually related with the hits that were sung by Phil Collins.

Yes. I think that's a good thing.

I'm probably in the minority who think they were better after Peter Gabriel left. The songs were more melodic to my ears and had more structure. I've always loved Land of Confusion. I think it's unfair to say that Collins turned them into a bland band, as all three of them chipped in on songwriting duties.

I couldn't agree more.

I'm a HUGE fan of Genesis and I'm very familiar with their full body of work. In my opinion Phil Collins in an infinitely better singer, performer, and overall musician than Peter Gabriel. Even Gabriel grudgingly admits this. I actually saw an interview with him just this weekend in a documentary on Genesis. He admits to having felt a major kick in the gonads when he left Genesis (fully expecting it to fall apart) but instead, the band saw its greatest success with Phil Collins as the front man!

Gabriel's version of Genesis, with it's avante guarde fox heads and dresses crap always ****ed me off. When Phil Collins became the lead man, it became much more about the MUSIC... which became melodic, structured, rythmic, and pleasing to listen to... and not like some bizzarre acid trip.

When Phil Collins went solo, he only continued to prove that he is one of THE most beautiful male voices in all of pop / rock music.

When the Genesis reunion tour was talked about back in 2006, and all five original band members met, it was Peter Gabriel's bizzare ego CRAP that dissolved it from happening. Fortunately, when Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford and Phil Collins were left alone in the room, they looked at each other and said, "Why don't we just do a re-union of our version of genesis, with our hits?"

I'm so glad they did too. Best show my wife and I ever saw!

I'm only sad that due to a spinal issue, Phil Collins can no longer play drums nor perform.

[Brazoo]

As a kid when I first started purchasing music I became a huge Peter Gabriel fan. His album "So" is the first CD I ever owned. Later I got into the Genesis album "Invisible Touch", so when I found out that Gabriel use to be in Genesis I naturally became curious and picked up a few albums. At first I was just baffled, but later in high school I went though a very brief prog-rock phase and got into it - especially "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" which I still consider to be the high-watermark for that group (as clemso had also mentioned). I don't have much patience for prog-rock now at all.

As time goes on I have maintained respect for Gabriel and his catalog a lot more than anything Collins related. I guess I do appreciate some Collin's hits for nostalgia or because of the cheese factor - almost against my will - so musically we don't agree as far as that's concerned. Collins is a great drummer - that's undeniable.

It's not like I listen to Gabriel's music that much, but I do think a lot of his best solo stuff has held up well. I'd recommend "So" and his first solo album (the one with the car on it). I also think the one with his face smeared is still really good. (His 4 albums up till "So" are self-titled, which is why I'm describing them in this silly way.)

When I think of it now I believe that the Genesis/Gabriel music was created more for the live experience (supposedly their show was amazing) and not created for the recordings themselves.