Genesis

[huedell]

Metallica got soft when the Black Album came out with Enter Sandman...right?

Nope.

The problem most Mfans had with ENTER SANDMAN wasn't it's heaviness
or lack thereof---
it was it's condensed poppier arngement....very close to VERSE/CHORUS type arrangemnent.

[Blue Meanie]

I'm probably in the minority who think they were better after Peter Gabriel left. The songs were more melodic to my ears and had more structure. I've always loved Land of Confusion. I think it's unfair to say that Collins turned them into a bland band, as all three of them chipped in on songwriting duties.

I completely agree. Like I said before the first LP AFTER Gabriel left is, IMO, one of their best..."Trick Of The Tail". Unfortunately every band gets accused of going soft or pop at one point or another in their careers. Metallica got soft when the Black Album came out with Enter Sandman...right? That's a load of crap because they played exactly the same style they had been playing for years...Overexposure on MTV is what killed them.

Gabriel was NOT the creative genius behind the band...maybe a great showman/frontman...but not the creative genius. They all do share in songwriting.

[palitoy]

I always liked Gabriel after he left, huge fan of his until he went pop.

Also didn't mind some of the Collins Genesis stuff, especially Land of Confusion, Mama etc..

[Surfsup]

I'm probably in the minority who think they were better after Peter Gabriel left. The songs were more melodic to my ears and had more structure. I've always loved Land of Confusion. I think it's unfair to say that Collins turned them into a bland band, as all three of them chipped in on songwriting duties.

[clemso]

I once saw the Genesis reunion gig with Peter Gabriel, Gabriel was way more experimental, I loved the songs "I know what I like" and "The lamb lies down on broadway".Give those two a listen if you have them. Collins turn them into a bland pop band

[thunderbolt]

Collins turned them into a top 40 bland hit machine. nuff said.

[wolfie]

Everything Genesis did before the Duke album was fantastic. After this which if i remember right was the end of the 70's it was a bit hit and miss. Keep away from the pop chart singles and it was still great.
Genesis were the best live band i ever saw, any concert of theirs from 74---82 was fantastic.

Compared with the crap which passes for music these days even the bad Genesis stuff was great.

[toystalker]

i never even listened to a genisis track that i knew was genisis until somehow i got my hands on a pair of genisis earls court near the front concert tickets... curious i went along
im by no means a fan of this type of music... and i bloody enjoyed each and every minute of it

most memorable for me was collins solo drum session while the rest of the band had a break
fantastic

i dont know if the music is good or bad as im no critic in this music area

was totally out of the box for me as im a former old skool hip hop and soul radio dj

but i loved it

[Zemo]

Gabriel had the stage presence and the creative mind in the band. Was and still is one the best showmen on Rock n Roll. Plus I always thought he had a way better voice. I love this tune that he released about leaving Genesis.

http://www.mixx.com/videos/6255023/p...bury_hill_live

[Blue Meanie]

The pre-Collins lead Genesis is OK...It's a bit too 70's prog rock for my tastes. There are some gems though in the Gabriel lead Genesis. "I Know What I Like" is good as is the whole "Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" LP. The re-make of "Carpet Crawlers" on the Best of set is really good. It's a shame because IMO they should have done the re-union thing a long time ago. The Pre-Collins stuff is HUGE!!! over in Europe. Especially Italy. There are 2 distinct box sets that are out on the group. BTW, I personally like the just post Gabriel Genesis more than the last 20 years of Genesis. Albums to get on the just post Gabriel years are "Trick Of The Tail", "Wind and Wuthering" , "3 Sides Live" with and incredible Medley of "The Cage" and "Duke" . Duke is basically the beginning of Genesis going pop. They are being inducted into the Hall Of Fame this year. It will be interesting to see if Steve Hackett, Anthony Phillips, and Gabriel show up. I know that Phil can't play drums right now because of surgery that he had on a slipped disc in his back.

[spamn]

Not a huge Genesis fan, but "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" is a pretty good album. I'm more a fan of Peter Gabriel's first four solo albums than Genesis.

"Trick of the Tail", the first sans Gabriel album is also very good if you like their Prog Rock stuff. It's very different from their pop stuff and good solid stuff.

Their pop stuff isn't bad, but I heard a lifetime of it in the 80s and even though I haven't heard any for at least a decade, if I heard any again it'd be like I just heard it yesterday. So I have no use for it in my music library.

[Mikey]

I always hated Genesis with a passion.

[Cosmicman]

I am just curious.
Genesis today is usually related with the hits that were sung by Phil Collins.

Are there any members on here that are actually fans of the pre Phil Collins hit era with Peter Gabriel? I'm just starting to listen to some of the "off the wall" stuff that some girl gave me and that she was trying to convince me that it is "brilliant".

Well, so far...I find no brilliance here. Listened to a few Avantgarde type sounds......Anyone? Is there something I should look for?

I'm just a musician and curious to see what is up. I am a big fan of Phil Collins and I am curious what was up?