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  • mego73
    Printed paperboard Tiger
    • Aug 1, 2003
    • 6690

    Digital fixes on old TV shows on DVD and music rights snafus causing editing/changing

    I'm in my Andy Rooney Mode.

    Ahhh, DVD. The last refuge for a classic TV lover to see their old shows without editing and without the obnoxious video graffiti that TV Land and many other cable channels have taken to because promoting their other shows in the 10 minutes per half hour they have for commercials is not enough.

    But there are always a few flies in the ointment (especially for nitpickers like me) and the first is kind of minor but still bugs me.

    It seems now, if the transfer technician notices some blooper that is easily correctable digitally, they correct it. This means mistakes I have come to expect in the show I know well are gone. Here is what I am talking about:

    The Brady Bunch: "Two Petes In A Pod" Final season. In the first split screen effect where Peter meets his look alike. They both come up into frame and for a brief moment, the nose of the double (the double for Chris Knight that is supposed to be covered by the split screen in the final shot)invades the split screen so for a second you see the tip of a disembodied nose. For the DVD, a digital fix was done and the mistake is no longer there.

    I Dream Of Jeannie: "Have You Heard the One About the Used Car Salesman" forth season. Jeannie is mad at the crooked car dealer for trying to cheat her so Jeannie blinks up a mess for his live commercial. When the car dealer tries to show a car by opening the door, it falls off. When the door falls off, you can see a hand and wrist shift in the back seat behind the gap of the front seat and doorway. This is the guy that is supposed to knock out the rest of the car doors when the car dealer walks in front of it. On DVD, they paste over the gap with a freeze frame before the hand starts moving. On this fix, you can notice a slight jiggle in the area as the camera movies due to the lineup not being perfect.

    Also in I Dream Of Jeannie

    "Jeannie and the Great Bank Robbery". Jeannie naively ends up helping crooks rob a bank at night. The (back lot) exteriors of the scene are in daylight, while the inside of the bank shows night outside. They obviously forgot to time the daylight scenes to look like night. On the DVD, they do correct this mistake as well.

    Mind you, I have no problem with a declared separate version of a TV show that fixes mistakes and even makes different effects (like Star Trek remastered) but when they just go in there and erase mistakes I've noticed for years, that sucks.

    Also, it sucks when studios insist on putting their modern logo of the studio or whomever owns the show.

    On shows like Bewitched and Jeannie, they strike the original Screen Gems logo and use the modern Sony logo (they own most Screen Gems and Columbia Pictures properties). Also, the level on the audio for the logo is higher than the rest of the show and that sucks too.

    In the beginning, CBS/Paramount preserved the original logos on their TV releases and releases like Odd Couple Season 1 and Star Trek Animated are shown with their original red background Paramount TV zoom in logo. But come the second season of Odd Couple, they clipped the original logo for the new one. Same with Hawaii Five O, Mission Impossible and more. Besides missing the original logo, It's a buzzkill to have a flashy modern CGI logo end a classic show.

    Finally, there are the dastardly problems with music rights that are getting ridiculous. It's either a case of the studio not wanting to pay anything more for music rights in a show or the music maker wanting too much or both.

    The result is that in the last few seasons of the Odd Couple, they either have to alter or edit scenes with music, like sometimes when Felix breaks into song, as he often does, they don't show it because of music rights.

    And it's gotten so bad, on the second season of The Fugitive, they replace the background music entirely with new material as they have done on My Three Sons(except for the opening credits, not sure if The Fugitive keeps the opening credits music).

    So, where it used to be believed (Naively) that on DVD, you got the show, unedited and unaltered and the cases of music having to be changed (like was done for a while on video copies of Star Trek's City On The Edge of Forever) were rare. Now, it's a bit of a different ball game.

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  • kryptosmaster
    Removed.
    • Jun 14, 2008
    • 0

    #2
    Yeah that stinks.
    I'm a purist, too. I like things to be left as they were originally created.
    don't get me started on Tom & jerry cartoons or Little Rascals, etc.
    The worst part is, if you don't remember the original then you don't know you're not getting what you thought you were getting.
    Rich

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    • apes3978
      Talkative Member
      • Nov 19, 2005
      • 5112

      #3
      Originally posted by mego73
      So, where it used to be believed (Naively) that on DVD, you got the show, unedited and unaltered and the cases of music having to be changed (like was done for a while on video copies of Star Trek's City On The Edge of Forever) were rare. Now, it's a bit of a different ball game.
      What's even worse is when they use they edited/syndicated versions of the episodes for DVD... I know they did that for The Addams Family and ALF, and I'm sure there has to be many more...

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      • mego73
        Printed paperboard Tiger
        • Aug 1, 2003
        • 6690

        #4
        Originally posted by kryptosmaster
        Yeah that stinks.
        I'm a purist, too. I like things to be left as they were originally created.
        don't get me started on Tom & jerry cartoons or Little Rascals, etc.
        The worst part is, if you don't remember the original then you don't know you're not getting what you thought you were getting.
        Rich
        I don't know if you were aware that the PC censored cartoons on the Tom And Jerry Spotlight volumes were fixed and a mail back program was in place for you to replace discs.

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        • Mikey
          Verbose Member
          • Aug 9, 2001
          • 47258

          #5
          Also, it sucks when studios insist on putting their modern logo of the studio or whomever owns the show.

          So true,
          Worst offender is Universal.
          I want to see the 70's Universal logo and music i'm used to and associate with the shows.

          Kudo's to Paramount's Star Trek two-episodes per DVD .......
          They give me my Desilu fix after each episode ends

          Also, Kudo's to CBS for leaving the BING CROSBY PRODUCTION endings on Hogan's Heroes

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          • ctc
            Fear the monkeybat!
            • Aug 16, 2001
            • 11183

            #6
            Hmmmm....

            Co-inkey-dinkelley I noticed this with the recent "Ultraman" release. They don't have the end credits. Granted, they're like 5 seconds long and pretty much just the TBS logo; but the first few times I saw it was kinda jarring.

            I'm kind of ambivalent about this. Small stuff (like the TBS logo) doesn't bug me so much. Fixing the mistakes doesn't always bug me either; unless they're disrupting the running of the show. And sometimes THAT doesn't bother me either. (The Ultraman disks use the unedited versions, and sometimes break into Japanese for a minute or so during scenes that were cut from the English showing.)

            But this sort of thing can lead to bigger changes down the road. THAT I object to 'cos I'm a "warts and all" kind of guy. So I can forgive the errors and mistakes in the originals. And I live in fear of "special editions."

            "So, we edited all the guns out of 'Gunsmoke," edited Will Farrel into all the scenes with Darrin on 'Bewitched' and made JR Ewing a ninja. 'Cos ninjas are cool."

            Don C.

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            • YoungOnce
              Career Member
              • Aug 29, 2007
              • 966

              #7
              I loved the old show WKRP In Cincinnatti but I don't want to buy the dvds because they took all the original music out and replaced it with generic junk.

              The show is about a rock and roll radio station for crying out loud. The music was a great part of it.

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              • StrangeVisitor
                Career Member
                • May 13, 2007
                • 598

                #8
                Originally posted by YoungOnce
                I loved the old show WKRP In Cincinnatti but I don't want to buy the dvds because they took all the original music out and replaced it with generic junk.

                The show is about a rock and roll radio station for crying out loud. The music was a great part of it.
                I would have forgiven most of the WKRP music changes if they'd just not #@%!! with "Hot-Blooded" during the toupee scene in "A Date with Jennifer" episode.
                .

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                • JPkempo
                  Permanent Member
                  • Jun 17, 2001
                  • 4334

                  #9
                  Daffy Duck about to take a load of buck shot to the face, cut it's now not PC to shoot Daffy.

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                  • Mikey
                    Verbose Member
                    • Aug 9, 2001
                    • 47258

                    #10
                    Question,
                    Does anyone here have That 70's Show on DVD ?

                    Did they cut out all the songs ?
                    That 70's Show had a million -- and most were original recordings.

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