Looks like the stand alone DC JL film directors are bailing...

[Nostalgiabuff]

i just heard about Affleck too. I think it is good news for us fans. I think he really gets the characters, I just hope he and the WB brass can reign in Snyder. for what it's worth I love Sucker Punch, 300 and Watchmen, but those are much darker story lines that fit with his type of directing

[palitoy]

I don't think you did, really, but what's crazy to me is how great the Justice League Unlimited stuff is and how bad the major DC movies have been. Maybe it's because there's less money at stake with "a kiddy cartoon", so WB executives didn't meddle too much, but some of the JLU stuff would translate well to big screen live action.

Oh agreed, their movie blueprint is so wonderfully laid out for them and they're suckling on the teets of Frank Miller? I don't get it either.

[PNGwynne]

^Well-said. Miller and Moore did some things thirty years ago that were novel, perhaps groundbreaking, but it's all been reduced absurdum into DC grist.

Can you imagine anyone more ill-suited to The Spirit than Miller? That says it all.

[huedell]

My thought on Batman v Superman is that it's the world's most successful box office bomb.

Mine is that it's the world's biggest franchise-hurting bomb with the most successful box office.

[Hector]

Finally a step in the right direction...

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/batman-v-superman-fallout-warner-bros-shakes-032653909.html

[thunderbolt]

Finally a step in the right direction...

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/batman-v-superman-fallout-warner-bros-shakes-032653909.html

Berg was already involved in the BVS mess and Johns, well, I have little faith in him. He was a part of the GL movie and most of the tripe at DC Comics now.

[Earth 2 Chris]

People who are in denial about the success of this movie should read the title of that article. "Fallout" is never a good thing.

What's really weird is....it did make money. But not the kind of money they were looking for, based on other event films. Just like Superman Returns and MoS before it.

Chris

[huedell]

People who are in denial about the success of this movie should read the title of that article. "Fallout" is never a good thing.

What's really weird is....it did make money. But not the kind of money they were looking for, based on other event films. Just like Superman Returns and MoS before it.

With respect to your POV here... I understand the value of recouping your investment with a major studio/franchise film, and/or making a profit at the box office--- and whatever-else-have-you regarding box-office total... and this concern is not a rare one discussed 'round these parts...

That said: In this "success vs. failure" context "money from box office" is a non-issue (albeit one that is bound to come up and muddy the discussion waters for obvious reasons).

Now, BvS? BvS was "bullet proof" right? An unstoppable money-making force riding on the franchise name alone just like Phantom Menace, Jurassic World (to a lesser extent), etc. before it. This scenario should make any confusion here clear: The reason there's all this BvS post-release hub-bub has nothing to do with box-office money, and everything to do with franchise value.

The "Fallout" mentioned in the article? That's not just a subset of the issue..."fallout" IS the issue.

Fallout affects investors fear factor, and that affects the behavior of the studio that owns and produces the given property's film--- it affects how they reconfigure their plans, or maybe take a risk and stay-on-course... it affects them BIG time because they know that regardless of money made on the previous movie---when there's this BvS "fallout", and they go to make another DCEU film, those investors are gonna dwindle, because those investors could give a rat's behind if BvS made a BILLION dollars, if the "fallout" is bad enough to warrant shying away from putting up the bucks (i.e. taking a financial risk) on the follow up to such a film.

Look at it this way:

"Horse Investor guy" invests a thousand dollars in a "well-known VERY talented race horse" specifically for "the Big Race"--- the horse ends up winning the Big Race mostly because the "well-known VERY talented race horse" is an awesome horse---so awesome, everyone knew the win would happen----but, in the course of the race, the horse sprains his ankle.... ugh!

"Horse Investor guy" is happy because the prize for the "Big Race" turned his thousand dollars into a billion dollars... but "Horse Investor guy" still is not too keen on investing in that horse again as he was damaged during the previous race----maybe he will, maybe he won't... we'll see what "Horse Investor guy" does when this fictional race approaches Ha.

But how about you?

Before the horse sprained his ankle, you'd be like "Hey, if I had the money/access to invest, of course I'd do it."

But after the horse's injury? You'd be pretty dang trepidatious...

And, if someone approached you and said: "But, hey, man... why be so fearful making the investment? The horse just made a BILLION dollars for the previous investor!"

You'd be puzzled why anyone would give "making a billion dollars" as a good argument for why a person's feelings about the horse's positive value should remain steadily optimistic--- 'cause it isn't a practical conclusion.

Long rant, I know---but, this seems to come come up consistently, and I thought I'd go on a bit of a tear to address it from another angle (albeit a long-winded one).

[Earth 2 Chris]

Just saw on Box Office Mojo where Cap: Civil War is about $40 million ahead of BvS at the same time frame of 11 days. Ouch.

I DON'T want this to be the case. I want good DC movies. But this is obviously what is starting to shake some of the cobwebs loose at WB. The critical, fan and box office reaction.

Chris

[Hector]

Yet not a cent coming from me so far...have not seen Civil War yet...

[Earth 2 Chris]

Give it up Hec. DC and WB knows BvS is flawed at best. You're not hurting Marvel, only yourself by denying seeing a great film.

Chris

[Hedji]

If WGSH taught us anything, there should be no Marvel/DC party lines.

Go enjoy Civil War, Hector. It's not like cheating on your girlfriend if you do.

[Earth 2 Chris]

Geoff Johns is already in damage control mode, and he seems to be distancing himself from Snyder's dark portrayal of Superman at least:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=18241

Chris

[Mr.Marion]

Yet not a cent coming from me so far...have not seen Civil War yet...

Civil war was incredible. Marvel sometimes bats .500 Like both Thors and AOU. But The Cap movies for not one of them. That's how you do an assembled film right. Spiderman was given a decent size part and was not shoehorned in like Aquaman who was advertised on Toys and posters but only
Given a YouTube clip.

B v S doesn't seem to have anything for me to get into. I will see on Dvd but I'm expecting it to be a S*** sandwich 😂

[hedrap]

Geoff Johns is already in damage control mode, and he seems to be distancing himself from Snyder's dark portrayal of Superman at least:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=18241

Chris

SMDH. The full Vulture article is astounding. I don't get how Johns is able to act like he had nothing to do with MOS or BvS when he was in the heart of it? The "loyal soldier" card just doesn't work. If you really believe Darwyn Cooke vision is correct, how do you go along with Snyder? IMO, it means it's not true and he was all for following the video game path.

Johns via Affleck could have stomped out the BvS storyline. Snyder had no clout after MOS, especially after Legendary and the Nolans left.

If Johns is legit, then Ezra Miller will be recast as Bart Allen. There is nothing contractual to stop that and Snyder's reasoning for Miller is illogical garbage. If Ezra remains Barry, then we know this is all pandering by Johns.