Question I Can't Figure out -Batman V Superman **spoilers** note **spoilers**

[Earth 2 Chris]

The line from Martha was the only line that got a chuckle from our audience. I believe it was intentionally funny too. Martha had about the only humorous line in MoS as well.

Chris

[huedell]

Someone reading this might find it odd that I'm going back to the "Martha & Batman meeting" moment to comment once again...

I mean, it IS only one moment in an uber-barrage of moments in DoJ, right?

But, as I mentioned before, it is one of the rare moments of levity in the film... and I just got from a long trip (which I made in part because of the DOJ movie itself), and to prolong the appreciation of what I thought was a great "DCCU moment", I wanted to give a backdrop to Hector's question of why would Batman present himself to Martha as "a friend" of her son after having a near-death-battle with the guy....

Pretty simply put: Batman (regardless of his trepidatious/conflicted feelings towards Supes at the moment) had committed to saving Martha, and needed to put this woman at ease.

Bats assumed he needed to say something reassuring, I suppose. Martha was, after all, being grabbed up by a strange man in a scary bat-suit.

[hedrap]

OK. If someone mentioned it before, I missed it. But...

...Batman/Martha is an in-joke most likely from Affleck. When he played George Reeves in Hollywoodland she played the woman Reeves was having an affair with. It's kinda meta, as it's also an in-direct shot at himself as the actor playing the superhero who has an affair and implodes his personal life.

[Earth 2 Chris]

^ I don't think it's an in-joke. It was set up at the beginning to be the catalyst to snap Batman back to sanity after he had gone off the deep end with his hate-on for Superman. That's why Thomas Wayne specifically says "Martha" as he dies.

And yes, Affleck played Reeve in Hollywoodland, and Diane Lane played Toni Mannix, his lover, wife of MGM studio exec Eddie Mannix (Bob Hoskins in that film). Even weirder, Diane Lane was married to Josh Brolin for several years, and he recently played...Eddie Mannix in Hail Cesar. Wow!!!

Chris

[Mego Magyar]

^Believe it or not it wasn't until this that I realized that both Bruce and Clark's mothers were named Martha. I guess some 40 years of being a Bat & Sups fan I was a bit brain dead for never noticing this before.

[Earth 2 Chris]

I've always wondered why SOMEONE didn't do anything with that. I liked it being the catalyst to get Batman back to his senses, but he went from premeditating murder to starting the guy's fan club in like, 2 seconds.

Chris

[huedell]

...but he went from premeditating murder to starting the guy's fan club in like, 2 seconds.

Please... this is not a rabble-rousing poke here, but sincere curiosity here (this DoJ "swift Supes fan club" aspect of Bats is becoming a motif, as Hector too mentioned something along these lines)... are you referring to the formation of the Justice League here... being at his funeral... realizing Luthor is a villain... all of the above...(?)

This film is decades in the making for all of us "Super Friends" fans, ya know?

I'm trying to digest this scattershot film and examine how I really feel about it. And, of course, others thoughts can put things in perspective...

So, in this particular instance, I'm wondering how Batman's deliberately choosing to shift from Luthor's pawn to Supes' buddy could reasonably be seen as non-organic when it's a choice that overall you can't be timid about, as then it gives both fictional AND factual audiences mixed ideas about your allegiances in decisions where, frankly, the safety of the planet hangs in the balance.

Of course, I not only pose that question to Chris, but to anyone reading.

[hedrap]

^ I don't think it's an in-joke.

I meant Hollywoodland was the in-joke. Sort of "George Reeves is the father of cinematic Superman. I played George Reeves and here I am with Superman's mom, who was also my mistress".

In other words, "whose your daddy"?

[Brue]

^Believe it or not it wasn't until this that I realized that both Bruce and Clark's mothers were named Martha. I guess some 40 years of being a Bat & Sups fan I was a bit brain dead for never noticing this before.

It is weird that I too knew both mom's names for forty years, but it never occurred to m ethat they were the same names.

[hedrap]

It is weird that I too knew both mom's names for forty years, but it never occurred to m ethat they were the same names.

And while we think it's an interesting factoid, a guy like Bendis would use it to retcon Martha into being the same woman, thereby making Clark, Bruce's step-brother.

[Mego Magyar]

It is weird that I too knew both mom's names for forty years, but it never occurred to m ethat they were the same names.

Glad I'm not the only one that missed this

[palitoy]

Glad I'm not the only one that missed this

Same here, that was "huh, never thought about it" moment.

[Godzilla]

Thanks guys. I saw it in 3D and it was really hard to tell who it was. I concur to missing the mother's name connection all these years.

[clemso]

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"The red capes are coming, the red capes are coming" Just saw BvS, just found Lex Luthor really annoying, couldn't get past is "I am slightly crazy routine. Some dodgy moments too, like why couldn't WW use the Kryptonite spear instead of Supes.

[Earth 2 Chris]

Is it wrong that I want to recreate the funeral scene from Old School, subbing Affleck in for Will Ferrel, with him singing "Dust in the Wind" in his Bat-voice?
"You're my boy Clark! You're my boy!!!"

Chris