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  • ctc
    Fear the monkeybat!
    • Aug 16, 2001
    • 11183

    #46
    >For me, it's not a case of recognizing where some of these storylines are going; it's a case of being ****ed that they would ever go there in the first place.

    That's kind of an interesting point....

    >There's a big difference to me between some campy silver age superhero retirement confined to an issue or two, and the mega crossover drivel they push on us now.

    To me there isn't. At it's core it's the same story, it's presented in pretty much the same way, and it's just as consequential. I DO hate that nowadays they'll milk it for a year to sell more books.

    >$40 for ten or twelve issues of something that may disappear any month is better spent on back issues.

    THAT I don't get either. If I like a story I like it; regardless of it's duration. If it gets cancelled that's a bummer; but it doesn't change the parts I read and enjoyed.

    >You felt like you were growing up with the characters.

    I think that's more an effect of the audience and not the books though. Thing is; the characters WEREN'T growing up. And they WERE reconceptualized every so manyyears. That's where the whole DC "earth X.Y.Z" thing came from: it was their way of explaining why the current characters wewre so different from their original appearances. And they did that retcon ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO!

    We weren't aware of these changes 'cos our exposure to the characters was pretty limited. (Being so young and all.) It's only after ten or twenty years of reading that it becomes obvious; like now with a lot of the folks here.

    >When I was a kid reading comics in the 70's, there was a strong foundation with all of the characters.

    Yup! Marvel used to summate their entire book in a blurb at the top of the title page. Like I said before; the heroes were definitely timeless and immutable. That blurb was more than a history lesson for a new reader; it was an iteration of the theme and thru-line of the book.

    That all started going away in the 80's when they'd slap on whatever was popular to add to the marketability of the characters. (How many superheroes does the phrase "Oh, he's a NINJA now?" apply to?) And even THAT wasn't new! How many DC characters went "mod" back in the 60's?

    Don C.

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    • Timothy2251
      Jerks beef with Ten Bears
      • Mar 15, 2008
      • 1960

      #47
      Chances are 99% likely Bruce will be back as Batman, if for no other reason than merchandising/movie tie-ins. I'd expect he'll be back in time for the next Batman film after The Dark Knight, same as Steve Rogers being Capt. America again by 2009-2010 when his movie comes out.

      I think a big part of the problem with revisiting the whole "This character's dead/replaced/retired/on vacation for good" over and over again, is the hope they'll ctach lightning in a bottle like they did with Superman and Cap's deaths - death of a beloved character occasionally brings media attention from outside the industry, bringing new readers in "Batman's DEAD? How? Why? I gotta check into this!", as well as free publicity to the Big Two and whatever projects they have lined up (Spidey unmasking got play in the papers, generating interest in Civil War for example).

      Truth be known, the feelings of "been there, done that" have pretty much driven me from Marvel and DC for the past few years. If anything, I've been spending more on graphic novels than monthlies. I'd rather read the Conan collections Dark Horse puts out, or check out Image, Dynamite, etc., than try to get into Final Crisis or Secret Invasion - WAY too complicated and confusing for anyone not a fan to get into. And don't get me started on One More Day.
      "It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see, and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. The words of Ten Bears carries the same iron of life and death. It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of life... or death. It shall be life."

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