What do you all think of dc convergence so far?

[MEMEGO]

what do you all think of dc convergence so far, the main book and its many offshoots.
seems some go some place others don't and the main book is a huge amalgamation of what is going on the the off shoot books with out a resolution.

What do you all think? AGREE, DONT AGREE LET ME KNOW YOUR FEELS BY LEAVING COMMENTS.

[ShadowAvenger]

I have mixed feelings about the off shot books now that some of the second issues are out. Some are really good but others are really downers. The main Convergence title didn't really seem to pick up until #4. While it's great to see some of the characters that I grew up with, I don't like what happened to some of them. Overall, I'm a bit disappointed with this "big" event.

[ubermanx]

Overall I am not impressed ...

My local comic shop said that DC books ordered for issue #1 of the Convergence titles was down 80% (in terms of volume) over the previous month. So, like me, it appears alot of folks are skipping this latest event.

I have been saving my Convergence titles until I have Issue #1 and 2 to read as a set. Justice League was good with all the female characters. Titans was a waste, Green Arrow was good and Aquaman was stupid. Harley Quinn was acceptable but really, her schtick and Deadpool are wearing thin for me. Speed Force was all the worse that Wally West's Flash-era had to offer.

Mind you, all the comics are typical ... 1) setup that the dome is there 2) look, I have no powers 3) ****, now I gotta fight 4) yeah, I fought, now what.

This is definitely not what I was hoping for. Let's cross our fingers that the fall has more to offer.

- Marty

[The Toyroom]

Waste of money. The only 2nd issues I'm getting are Shazam, Hawkman and Harley Quinn. Everything else I bought was garbage...

[Earth 2 Chris]

My son dug them, but I've yet to read the ones we picked up so far. No interest in the Convergence series itself.

Chris

[Random Axe]

This is DC flailing its arms desperately trying to grab anything it can to keep from drowning. This time they grasped a flimsy piece of bamboo. It shouldn't take too long for it to break...

[Earth 2 Chris]

^I feel it's lip-service to the old fans, but it's neither fish nor fowl. It's not QUITE the old versions we miss, because we have this framing gimmick of the dome and all that. I'd rather just checked in with the characters where we left them off.

People who hoped DC was going to go back to a more classic approach after this event are now fully aware that's not going to happen. From the solicitations we've seen, DC is distancing itself even further from the classic versions of these characters. Even Aquaman, a title that was selling well is getting a makeover.

None of this really bothers me anymore. I'm so far removed from these comics now, nothing they do really phases me. It's just sad.

Chris

[samurainoir]

Nice to see Gail Simone writing Nightwing and Oracle, Greg Rucka doing Montoya as The Questions. Great to see old school takes on Shazam etc. Care not for the overarching Battle Royale crossover, not picking up the mainline crossover title so these side books I'm checking out for creative teams makes little sense to me.

For me it's less about the Post Crisis DCU vs The New 52, and more about retaining talent on books the same way Marvel has been. The New 52 was a enjoyable for me as long as they had Morrison on Superman and Batman, Geoff Johns on Aquaman and Green Lantern, Scott Snyder on Swamp Thing. Gail Simone on Batgirl. Now the only titles that are must-reads for me are Batman 66 and Fables, which is coming to a close.

Marvel is "Winning" with Secret Wars in my book, but my enjoyment of that stems purely from the fact that I've been following the build up of this story (LUCKILY) unbeknownst to me through a half dozen titles over the last 8 years because I'm a Hickman fan. Astonishing to see things paying out from titles like Secret Warriors, Fantastic Four, New Ultimates, SHIELD and now all these Avengers titles. If only Brian Bendis' long form storytelling payed out as well on his titles! I feel like I'm being rewarded as a long-time reader.

With that said, I'm not quite sure folks would be quite so excited as I am with Secret Wars if they are going into this cold. There are a cast of dozens that might seem really confusing if you are jumping in as a reader, particularly with the Multiverse crossover Battle Royale premise.

[PNGwynne]

... Even Aquaman, a title that was selling well is getting a makeover. Chris

Oh crap. Jeff Parker isn't Geoff Johns, but I've still enjoyed the book. I haven't picked up my Convergence tie-ins yet, I ordered Aquaman & Shazam.

[WannabeMego]

There are a cast of dozens that might seem really confusing if you are jumping in as a reader, particularly with the Multiverse crossover Battle Royale premise.

Hence the problem...'they' shouldn't make it difficult to retain and/or expand readers into more books...it's having the opposite affect of what these 'crossover', event-driven stories were meant for...IMHO.

Every story line is designed to be a (potential) TPB these days...it was easier to jump into a title when each issue was a self-contained story or at most a 2-issue story arc.

...and it was easier to change the direction of the Character if things didn't work out.

[samurainoir]

Hence the problem...'they' shouldn't make it difficult to retain and/or expand readers into more books...it's having the opposite affect of what these 'crossover', event-driven stories were meant for...IMHO.

Every story line is designed to be a (potential) TPB these days...it was easier to jump into a title when each issue was a self-contained story or at most a 2-issue story arc.

...and it was easier to change the direction of the Character if things didn't work out.

Yeah, I agree. I'd probably be feeling like I do with Convergence while reading Secret Wars if I didn't have 8 years (or even thirty years) of Marvel comics lore in my head that this series is riffing off of. Check out the role call pages these days...


A person picking this up cold has no idea about the Illuminati and Cabal (60-80 issues of backstory from New Avengers, Avengers, Avengers World). The Future Foundation (40-60 issues of Fantastic Four and FF), Manifold (25 issues of Secret Warriors plus Avengers), Evil Ultimate Reed Richards (18 issues of New Ultimates). And these are just the Hickman written titles.... this crossover encompasses pretty much every other popular past event or popular storyline. From Marvel Zombies, to Old Man Logan, to Age of Apolocypse, to Hulk Future Imperfect and on and on.

I can barely keep it straight in my head, and I've read everything leading up to this.

Although I guess whatever hardcore reader they do hook with this, back issues/trades are much more accessible now than they have ever been, and they might instantly have a new audience for two or three dozen trade paperback or digital download packs off comixology for those that are intrigued enough to dig deep into the mythology. I also know many twenty year old readers, new to the Marvel U who just pull up all the backstory of any given character or storyline off the internet with their phones to fill them in on the who's and what's.

[samurainoir]

I don't think it's a coincidence that the Free Comic Book Day issue of Secret Wars included this reading chart.

it's one thing when Marvel was in the disposable periodical business, and only comic book dealers benefited from back issue sales. Now Marvel has incentive to try and get people to read their back issue catalogue of content since they now benefit from that as part of their financial model with trades and digital download.

Marvel at least makes sense to me as a business model wthin their publishing division. DC not so much, other than that they are flailing around with their IP's to try and create cinematic content based on what sticks to the wall. Which means the cart is leading the horse, which is opposite of the Marvel method. Marvel just lets their creators do something daring like Civil War or Winter Soldier, and the studio will cherry pick the source material.