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  • Hector
    el Hombre de Acero
    • May 19, 2003
    • 31852

    On the actual battle between Batman vs Superman in upcoming flick...

    I have no idea if Znyder is going to follow the Dark Knight graphic novel climatic battle page for page...or if it's going to be different.

    As all of you know, Bats beats Supes to a bloody pulp.

    I hope to god this does not happen in the movie, otherwise, I'm walking outta the theater...and never watch it ever again, not even on cable, lol.

    But seriously, if it's a draw, I'm happy with that, ha.

    Okay, have a few things to point out...

    So Bats will have this super armor, no idea if kryptonite will be implemented, because it was not present in Man of Steel.

    Perhaps Lex Luthor will be the one who discovers it...and Bats gets his hands on it.

    So, Bats is armed to the teeth for Supes...super armor, all kids of technology, his brilliant detective mind at hand...and kryptonite somewhere in there.

    Is that enough to fight Supes toe-toe? Even defeat Supes?

    Before you answer this question...

    Take a good look at the following picture...study it really hard, examine it carefully...

    ...here...



    U got it?

    Bats' chin is exposed.

    No armor, no protection whatsoever.

    So here's the main thing...

    What prevents Supes from just zoning on that exposed bare chin...and blast him with heat vision in a nano-second?

    I understand the armored Bats helmet could have a retractable chin shield...but at the moment...it's exposed...and certainly with Supes' super speed, he could hit it before Batman even knew what hit him...for as brilliant as he is...he's still a human...a human reacts only so quick.

    Even in a fantastical world, with fantastical characters...a rule of thumb...is that a fantastical world still needs some sort of logic for all of it too work...it has to make sense...and Bats exposed chin fighting a super alien being...just doesn't make sense to me...it just doesn't work.

    And please, try to make it work for me...no...I'm not interested in the comic book writers' point of view, I'm interested if you implement your own logic into all of this.

    Thoughts?

    Thank you, and God bless...

    Last edited by Hector; Apr 22, '15, 4:37 PM.
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  • Hedji
    Citizen of Gotham
    • Nov 17, 2012
    • 7246

    #2
    You're absolutely right. It's not only a design conceit we have to give it, but I'm sure Affleck's vanity wouldn't relish walking around in a full helmet ala Raimi's Green Goblin.

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    • Hector
      el Hombre de Acero
      • May 19, 2003
      • 31852

      #3
      I think you are right...
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      • knight errant00
        8 Inch Action Figure
        • Nov 15, 2005
        • 1775

        #4
        Hec, that's always been my issue even when DK premiered (and ever since) with this idea that Batman really beat Superman in that story -- only because Superman didn't want to kill him. In the animated version, the logic of this is even more apparent -- Clark refuses to even seriously harm, let alone kill, his old friend. when you leave out that element, it's just Batman fan-wank on why he's better than Superman.

        And I've always been a big Batman fan, FWIW.

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        • The Bat
          Batman Fanatic
          • Jul 14, 2002
          • 13412

          #5
          They absolutely HAVE TO introduce kryptonite into this movie! I'm the biggest Batman fan there is...but without kryptonite, Batman doesn't stand a chance against Supes!
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          • thunderbolt
            Hi Ernie!!!
            • Feb 15, 2004
            • 34211

            #6
            Hec, Superman wouldn't kill or throw him into the sun or all the other ways you imagine he could defeat Batman. He just wouldn't cross that line, even this crappy dark universe Superman must have some principles and morals.
            You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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            • Hector
              el Hombre de Acero
              • May 19, 2003
              • 31852

              #7
              Yeah, Bats has to have kryptonite...then I can accept it...that...and a retractable armored chin...if they implement those two...I'm okay with Batman beating the crap outta Supes...just not too much, please...don't mess up Supes's handsome face too much, lol.
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              • Hector
                el Hombre de Acero
                • May 19, 2003
                • 31852

                #8
                T, you obviously make good points.

                But, at the expense of receiving a beating?

                If principals and morals come to play...then why does Supes even bother engaging Bats at all? Why can't Supes just avoid Bats, and fly away?
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                • Hedji
                  Citizen of Gotham
                  • Nov 17, 2012
                  • 7246

                  #9
                  I would think story wise, he needs to befriend Batman, and won't fly away because they need to become allies. He'll stick it out to prove a point.

                  It's the old enemies before friends trope ala Kirk and Spock (2009 version) and when Thor fought Iron Man in Avengers. (Or even Prince Barin vs. Flash Gordon)

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                  • Nostalgiabuff
                    Muddling through
                    • Oct 4, 2008
                    • 11423

                    #10
                    don't forget in DKR, Supes was already weakened from the lack of yellow sun after the bomb went off. it's really more about Batman out maneuvering and outwitting Superman with his superior intellect and his gadgets

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                    • madmarva
                      Talkative Member
                      • Jul 7, 2007
                      • 6445

                      #11
                      Superman will just snap his neck.

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                      • Random Axe
                        The Voice of Reason
                        • Apr 16, 2008
                        • 4518

                        #12
                        Originally posted by madmarva
                        Superman will just snap his neck.

                        And then he'll take a knee and scream. That will be like his wrestling/Mortal Kombat finishing move. Fatality.
                        I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she dumped me before we met.

                        If anyone here believes in psychokinesis, please raise my hand.

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                        • emeraldknight47
                          Talkative Member
                          • Jun 20, 2011
                          • 5212

                          #13
                          Technically there will never be and would never be a contest between Batman and Superman. For all if his fighting skills and techniques and gadgets, when you boil it down, BatMAN is still just that; a MAN in a BAT Suit. Superman, otoh, is an alien whose physical composition, in conjunction with the radiation from our yellow sun, is super-dense and nigh indestructible. His strength levels are pretty much off the charts and he can shoot lethal beams of concentrated energy out of his eyes. He can survives the rigors of space and the pressures of the the deepest ocean without batting an eye and can sit in the surface of the moon and listen to clouds pass one another up in Earth's atmosphere. If Superman were truly ever to go nuclear on Bruce Wayne, he wouldn't resort to a lowly fisticuffs; he'd simply park his arse in geosynchronous orbit, locate Bruce's particular body chemistry and then strike him down from a mile high in the atmosphere. No fuss, no muss.
                          sigpic Oh then, what's this? Big flashy lighty thing, that's what brought me here! Big flashy lighty things have got me written all over them. Not actually. But give me time. And a crayon.

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                          • Hector
                            el Hombre de Acero
                            • May 19, 2003
                            • 31852

                            #14
                            Originally posted by emeraldknight47
                            Technically there will never be and would never be a contest between Batman and Superman. For all if his fighting skills and techniques and gadgets, when you boil it down, BatMAN is still just that; a MAN in a BAT Suit. Superman, otoh, is an alien whose physical composition, in conjunction with the radiation from our yellow sun, is super-dense and nigh indestructible. His strength levels are pretty much off the charts and he can shoot lethal beams of concentrated energy out of his eyes. He can survives the rigors of space and the pressures of the the deepest ocean without batting an eye and can sit in the surface of the moon and listen to clouds pass one another up in Earth's atmosphere. If Superman were truly ever to go nuclear on Bruce Wayne, he wouldn't resort to a lowly fisticuffs; he'd simply park his arse in geosynchronous orbit, locate Bruce's particular body chemistry and then strike him down from a mile high in the atmosphere. No fuss, no muss.
                            Oh my goodness, post of the century!

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                            • Hector
                              el Hombre de Acero
                              • May 19, 2003
                              • 31852

                              #15
                              Imagine if Bruce Wayne was Kryptonian...he'd rule the universe...ok...maybe not the universe...but all solar systems with a yellow sun...

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