Gog Arrives in the DCU

[BlackKnight]

^ Now we now who to really blame!

Yeah..

But this really doesn't change the fact that with Samurainoir's oooooohh, so "Vast Comicbook" Knowledge that he couldn't tell the difference in the 2 costumes, untill it was repeatidly pointed out to him.


You can tell Mr. Igle That Wizard gave Lee the plug in creating that suit a few yrs back too. & It really doesn't change the fact that the suit Blows either,.. it more so makes it stink a bit more IMO. Obviously the Rest of the fans out thier thought the same,.. didn't the book get canceled ?

[The Toyroom]

^ Yeah the book tanked! It was a big mistake IMO to take a character like Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond) who hadn't appeared much in the DCU as of late and revive him briefly in "Identity Crisis" only to kill him off with the Shining Knight's sword (???) wielded by the Shadow Thief. Because his "containment suit" was ruptured? From what's been said before, Firestorm is one of the most powerful of the JLA with untapped potential. Seems sorta silly to see him die because of a ripped costume doesn't it?

Anyway, DC does what they've done quite a bit in the past...throw a costume on a new guy and say he's the new Firestorm. Nothing wrong with the old Firestorm except bad writers. (Once again I'll state I thought the whole "fire elemental" thing John Ostrander was pushing sucked).

The fans didn't like it and that's why the book was cancelled...same thing will happen to the "All-New Atom" and "Blue Beetle" eventually...at already did to "Aquaman" in "Aquaman:Sword of Atlantis".

[BlackKnight]

^ Yeah the book tanked! It was a big mistake IMO to take a character like Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond) who hadn't appeared much in the DCU as of late and revive him briefly in "Identity Crisis" only to kill him off with the Shining Knight's sword (???) wielded by the Shadow Thief. Because his "containment suit" was ruptured? From what's been said before, Firestorm is one of the most powerful of the JLA with untapped potential. Seems sorta silly to see him die because of a ripped costume doesn't it?

Yeah,.. And that was covered in what , like 5or6 pannels. I don't rember DC even given it a full page, nore it's own book. Atleast Beetle got a 56 page book.

[The Toyroom]

^ Beetle's back BTW in "Booster Gold" (at least for now...)

[samurainoir]

Yeah..

But this really doesn't change the fact that with Samurainoir's oooooohh, so "Vast Comicbook" Knowledge that he couldn't tell the difference in the 2 costumes, untill it was repeatidly pointed out to him.


You can tell Mr. Igle That Wizard gave Lee the plug in creating that suit a few yrs back too. & It really doesn't change the fact that the suit Blows either,.. it more so makes it stink a bit more IMO. Obviously the Rest of the fans out thier thought the same,.. didn't the book get canceled ?

Dude! Easy slugger! No need for the personal jabs now.

You will find no claims from me on this forum that I have a "Vast Comicbook" knowledge, I just contribute to the friendly ongoing conversations as best as I can, and I have as many questions more often than not than the next guy. I simply like to chat about comic books and toys.

I'm human like the rest of you, and I was willing to admit my mistakes. Those were pretty tiny pictures and sequential comic book art is different than actual MODEL SHEETS! It's not like I really follow Firestorm all that closely or have much as much invested in the character as other folks in the first place.

At the end of the day does it really matter all that much what costume Firestorm has currently? It's not like Ronnie and the classic costume is never going to not come back, and it's not like they didn't make the Ronnie version into an action figure over the Jason version. Fans of both should be satisfied.

If you really care that much to express your opinion to Mr Igle, his email is easily googled I'm sure! Although I'm not sure what rubbing his face in canceled comics and telling him his art blows will accomplish for you. If you are not a fan, just ignore it and find the stuff you like!

It's not like anybody on the creative side set out to "ruin" Firestorm, but not every revamp can be The Sandman or Jack Knight as Starman. They have as much riding on the success of any given character at the end of the day. If Ronnie and the old costume can make them a buck, they would exploit that wouldn't they?

No reason to get so snippy, it's just comics and toys right?
It's a conversation about the geeky stuff we all love.
Let's not all become the cliche of the angry online fan-man and instead find something positive to chat about with equal passion!

[BlackKnight]

^^^ Hey man,.. I don't take anything personal. I was just having a bit of fun with ya. Sorry, if you thought otherwise.


... & I never said his art Blows. He is a fantastic artist. I wrote the new design of the suit blows. To prove my point, I just pointed out the fact that obviously fans of the character Ronnie Raymond, were not buying into the uncalled for change of the character either, with the cancelation of the book. Thats probably why they also moved the character over to JLA, in efforts to still market the new version behind the big 3 in the DC universe.

I like the "look" of the characters that I am into. When certain ones change,.. it's very hard for me to accept. So I don't support them,.. & I do find the stuff I enjoy, & buy that stuff instead.

[The Toyroom]

...but not every revamp can be The Sandman or Jack Knight as Starman.

True...but some things don't need to be revamped. Comic companies need to learn this...sticking to the basic formula is OK as long as you are still telling good stories. It's when the stories (i.e. writers) start to suck that they think it's the "character's" fault and he needs a revamp or a shiny metallic costume (recent thanks go out to Alex Ross for conributing to this epidemic! ).

And for the record, I don't consider Sandman or Starman "revamps"...they were both brand new characters that didn't muck up what had previous gone on before...in fact, they actually enhanced the old stories/characters (especially in the case of Robinson's "Starman"). Firestorm was a failed revamp...it doesn't matter WHO designed the costume or did the artwork. The end result was they put a redesigned costume on a new character (Jason Rausch) utilizing the same basic premise (with minor tweaks) that supposedly didn't work for the old character (Ronnie Raymond). Guess what folks...bad writing did them both in. Not the costumes.