Supes and WW sitting in a tree...

[Earth 2 Chris]

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=11793

You know, THIS may be an idea worth exploring. Since DC dissolved the Superman/Lois marriage (which I think was a mistake), examining the Superman/Wonder Woman romance dynamic may be a good idea. It's never been done in ongoing continuity, aside from Byrne's kind of odd Action #600 story, and that was a done-in-one deal.

This is something that's been hinted at since at least the Silver Age, and many imaginary stories and Elseworlds (like Kingdom Come, for instance) have had the alpha male and female of the DCU hooking up.

But once Supes and WW shack-up, how do they go back to Lois and Steve Trevor?

Chris

[Operation:Mego]

I might be interested in JL again. This seems, well, good.

[The Toyroom]

As you could suspect, I'm not really a fan of this idea. I thought it was stupid to get rid of the Superman/Lois relationship also. To me this just smacks of yet another attempt by DC to get some headlines on a slow news day. Geoff Johns himself was quoted as saying he hopes it generates "water cooler chatter". Apparently that's what comic book writing has resorted to these days...quick-reaction shock value entertainment to generate buzz at the office...

[The Toyroom]

And here's another thing that sorta bugs me about this....the Wonder Woman currently appearing in "Justice League" doesn't appear to necessarily be the same version that's in the "Wonder Woman" title. I think DC should get these characters nailed down since we're a year in already and THEN once they've done that and EVERYBODY from writers to editors are on the same page, THEN they can explore relationships amongst the characters and various titles.

[MIB41]

Apparently that's what comic book writing has resorted to these days...quick-reaction shock value entertainment to generate buzz at the office...

I think that has been the status quo of comics for the past 25 years. Especially with the costume changes. I always felt the costume was created as a symbol, not a fashion statement. These days, writers live in catastrophes where worlds are destroyed, universes collide, and realities cease to exist because they write themselves into a corner and hit the reset button. When all fails, just kill the poor b*stard. Predictable at best. That's why I cease collecting comics on any level. Overpriced and repetitive. I'll stick to the classics!

[Earth 2 Chris]

As you could suspect, I'm not really a fan of this idea. I thought it was stupid to get rid of the Superman/Lois relationship also. To me this just smacks of yet another attempt by DC to get some headlines on a slow news day. Geoff Johns himself was quoted as saying he hopes it generates "water cooler chatter". Apparently that's what comic book writing has resorted to these days...quick-reaction shock value entertainment to generate buzz at the office...

All true, and I agree. But, in amongst all the bone-headed moves the new DCnU has made, this is somewhat less bone-headed, based on what they've already done to the characters. I still won't buy it though.

Chris

[ozcollector1992]

I don't really understand the need for this realationship seeing as you already have Cassie and Conner who take up the mantle of Supes and WW and they are one of the power couples in teen titans/YJ

[Earth 2 Chris]

Someone on the Superman Homepage commented on how this makes the DCnU seem even less legit, and more like an alternate reality, because the Superman/Wonder Woman relationship is an old trope of many such "offshoot" continuities. I think that is a good point.



Chris

[palitoy]

Heh, I view the DCnU the same I do Rob Zombie's "Halloween". It's there and hopefully it'll turn people onto the classic version.

[jds1911a1]

I don't really "like" this idea as others have said it rings of too many imaginary stories from the 50's 60's and 70's

Odd how history has repeated itself. In the early 50's dc went through the same types of trials because the big 3's stories kept going before the start of the silver age when they had to work them into JLA. They need to have a true turn of the page and restart with a defined continuity across all the titles or not at all

Sad as I am to say it as a golden age character fan I think they need to wipe the slate clean and start over like they did at the start of the Silver age. This doesn't mean we need to retell every origin story for every character, rather they need to drop the history since the origin story and then go from there. and if that means we have to lose Jay Garrick and Alan Scott so be it

[ctc]

>they need to drop the history since the origin story and then go from there

BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!!

Actually; I don't think they CAN, 'cos the 80's put the emphasis on continuity and you'd have to find some way to wean a significant number of your fans off the idea. Not easy to do, since so many of the oldsters seem to dislike anything new and/or different out of hand, and the last decade or so has planted the idea that ANY reboot is temporary firmly into the mind of the reader. You'd need to find some way to distance THAT reboot from all the others....

>I think they need to wipe the slate clean and start over like they did at the start of the Silver age

....or the first Crisis, or the one where Superboy punches reality in the face, or the Flash-themed one, or how everybody was all grins and not killing back in the 50's.... Wiping the slate clean happened a lot back in the day, but our generation had the idea that every little fussy detail mattered drilled into our heads by the 80's secondary comic industry. We're too aware of the behind the scenes bits to let go and let things run their course. Nobody says stuff likie "Ooooh! New Superman! I wonder where this is gonna go." We're all "Oh, that's SSSSOOOOO stupid, what they're doing to Superman, and that story sounds way too contrived, and is just Writer McAsshat purposefully trying to undo everything that Writer McOtherasshat did before him 'cos they hate each other, and Arty McCrosshatch is a horrible artist, and he draws those weird glowing tubes on everything so it all looks like Tron...."

Kids would be able to let things slide, but they got their own comics to read and don't care so much about the superheroes since the post-80's navelgazing of the Big Two-ish requires WAY too much research to get anything from.

Weird bit: Ever notice how Marvel does stories with superheroes dating, whereas DC has every hero come equipped with a significant other who's a normal? I kinda think that's another aspect of the DC characters being older that we were discussing; back in the 40's it was essential that EVERY hero came with a significant other who tagged along, contributed nothing except a potential hostage, and failed to recognize their true love after a change of clothes.

....maybe that's why Clark Kent must own a closet full of identical blue suits....

Don C.

[madmarva]

As far as I'm concerned the DCnU is an alternate reality or a massive elseworld story. The real DCU lives in my memory and back issues, as far as I'm concerned.

But, since the Clark and Lois' relationship is platonic at this point in the DCnU's continuity, I like the idea of exploring the Superman-Wonder Woman relationship. Kingdom Come barely touched on it, Byrne's take on it was one issue and then the story done in the late 1990s where they were trapped in an alternate reality or time line or whatever was was also a single issue, if I remember correctly.

It's leading into the Trinity War thing. I just hope the war isn't instigated by the DCnU Batman being jealous of Wonder Woman for stealing his secret crush, Superman. Now, that would create some water-cooler talk.

I was kind of hoping that all the bickering between WW and GL in the JL book would eventually lead to a Moonlighting-like, coffee-table make-out session. Do they have coffee tables in the JL headquarters?

As for DC wiping the slate clean and starting over, that's pretty much what the DCnU is, it's just not a very appealing version, imo. DC's retaining only the continuity they want and playing fast and loose with it to boot. I really believe the only reason for setting the books 5 years after Superman first started operating is so they don't have to explain how 100s of super-powered individual just burst onto the scene all in the same month.

[Timothy2251]

Somewhere, Brodie from Mallrats is feeling very pleased about this romance...

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[bobws]

It's a new universe, so this is the place to finally let these two get together. Not that i will be reading about it except here at the MM.

[The Toyroom]

Apparently Superman/Clark & Lois Lane will "never likely" have a relationship in the DCnU. They are going balls to the wall with this new status quo.

"Hopefully this will raise a lot of eyebrows,” DC co-publisher Lee said. “We welcome the watercooler chatter."

I'm done. They can play around with their little Elseworlds universe all they want. MY DC universe is still out there somewhere. I just have to refind it...