Why Batman is better than Superman

[ctc]

>Has anyone ever read Superman stories from 1939? he was pretty badass in the beginning very no nonsense.......

Y'mean like straight up kicking dudes into the ocean? Yeah, the original Superman was kinda different from the curreent one.... I think the problem with a more hardcore Supes is that it exacerbates the problems with his stories: if he's MORE willing to just punch the problem in the face then it gets harder to come up with complications. Right now, saving bystanders is just about all you've got. And if he keeps killing off the heavies, you'd need MORE of them.... leading to an arms race wherein you'd have to start asking how come nobody'd ever heard of THIS super awesome villain until today? And why didn't HE just crush all them other guys a long time ago? (It's one of the big problems with the Japanese superhero books.)

>Batman is a vigilante but not a thug.

....depending on the version. The original had no problem dropping guys to their death, or just shooting them.

Don C.

[kingdom warrior]

For me Superman vs Darkseid takes care of the problem of finding a superbad guy for him to fight....Darkseid is a Badass as it gets.......STAS had a great storyline in which he and Darkseid battled it out go that route and you can make some pretty good movies......

[ctc]

>For me Superman vs Darkseid takes care of the problem of finding a superbad guy for him to fight

It does; but how often can you have Darkseid show up?

Don C.

[Figuremod73]

I think from the very beginning (starting in Jimmy Olsen) that Kirby created Darkseid to be a top notch Superman villian.

I wish Kirby could have been able to do more with Superman without editors looking over his shoulder.

[kingdom warrior]

>For me Superman vs Darkseid takes care of the problem of finding a superbad guy for him to fight

It does; but how often can you have Darkseid show up?

Don C.

true but a good trilogy can have a bad guy appear in a movie more than once if he is used wisely....Vader appears in all three movies of the first Star Wars trilogy and no one got sick of him because he was a real threat the whole time.....in STAS Darkseid saw Superman as a flea and showed him no respect...those episodes are among the best from that series and that scene in Justice League unlimited when he faces Darkseid is epic..I would love to see this in a movie

[kingdom warrior]

Oh and saying this without spoiling it too much...his rubber armor in one scene in the new movie was shown to have a chink in it.....so much for all that black armor nonsense.....next movie out of that Michael Keaton 89 inspired look and make him look more like Batman from the comics.......

[ctc]

>a good trilogy can have a bad guy appear in a movie more than once if he is used wisely

It can; but for a setting like the DC universe, where there's a HUGE power gap between different characters it causes problems. Vader was intended as the main heavy from the start; and the story revolves around that. In a setting as large and diverse as the DC universe, it works a little differently. From a practical sense, you've got to come up with reasons for someone like Darkseid to NOT be medling in things when Superman isn't around.... or ways for everyone else to deal with him when he is. (And on that last point you've also got to be careful, otherwise you make him look like a chump. "Beware Darkseid, for now you face the awesome might of.... AMBUSH BUG!!!!")

Once you've stocked up a few Darkseid-level baddies, the problem is compounded. The historical solution has been what my buddy Rob calls "nigh-power;" the sliding scale all superhero abilities are rated on. So if Blue Beetle needs to take down Mogul, than by Schwartz Blue Beetle is SOMEHOW gonna take down Mogul! It's not an insurmountable problem writing a satisfying story along those lines, but it definitely adds to the difficulty; which is what the original article was getting at.

>in STAS Darkseid saw Superman as a flea and showed him no respect

Like that. He messes ol' Supes up but leaves once the locals show him some attitude. It works.... especially since there WAS a cost to the victory, but you've really got to cut the writers some slack on that one. "I could never crush their spirit.... so I'll have to drop their moon on them and crush their city instead, annoying apes!"

....'course, I bet Batman would have come up with a way to halt the moon.

Don C.