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  • ctc
    Fear the monkeybat!
    • Aug 16, 2001
    • 11183

    direct sales comics

    Inspired by comments in the “Aquaman” thread:

    >the industry slit its own throat when they went to direct sales only
    >Arguably they saved themselves by going direct.

    Well.... I think there’s a double edged sword there. “The Industry” is more than Marvel and/or DC; an important distinction when discussing the “direct market” distribution model, since the comic shop system came about in the early 80's as a result of the independent/underground movement. There were significant numbers of fans who wanted stuff you COULDN’T get at the newsstand.... stuff like First, Warp, Eclipse, Rip Off Press, Fantagraphic. They attracted a different audience.... or at least a more diverse audience. Problem was, they also attracted a lot of cartoonists of minimal talent, leading to the “B&W glut” of the mid 80's. Store owners didn’t know what would hit, and couldn’t afford to stock it all and started falling back on the old standbys; the Marvel and DC books. Around that time you also had the speculator boom, which brought more attention to the old characters and drew hoarders back into comics.

    The 90's put the kibosh on things. More shelf space was dedicated to the (at the time) mainstream stuff, which saw many of the independents readers go elsewhere. (Such as the burgeoning mail order system.) A substantial percentage of the comic buying public were speculators, with a smattering of diehard, old school fans. The mainstream companies began catering to these groups more and more, which scared off new fans. A new reader would have to slug through dozens of issues of back story.... and increasingly dozens of tie-in issues just to follow the stories. By the 90's “designer comics” were the thing: books sold strictly on the name of (usually) the artist, bought mostly by speculators. This shifted attention away from the actual CONTENT of the books, further alienating the readers. Eventually the seven-dozen variant cover with hologram signature and short-packed ashcan editions fatigued the speculators; who realized a book isn’t “rare” if every collector has ten poly-bagged copies secreted away. When the speculators moved on to action figures it left a huge void in the comic buying public. The Big-Two-and a Half had been catering increasingly to the comic shop crowd, with their tie-ins, designer books and “special events” and had alienated a generation of potential new readers. (Who DID find comics they liked, and bought ‘em in droves. They just weren’t “mainstream” comics.) The old readers were getting tired of the same old, and many moved on. (Although it seems like many MORE hung on and began venting. Constantly.) At any rate, the direct sales market was decimated. (And that’s not taking into account the brou-ha-ha over Marvel and DC buying distributors....)

    So I would have to say that the direct sales market gave the Big-Two-and (eventually) a Half a new chance, and a lot of cash; but they squandered it on short term thinking. As their audience aged, they were ill-equipped to maintain them. The problem being twofold:

    -Mainstream books are perpetual. There has to be a new one every month, and the marketing department will FREAK if you ACTUALLY change anything. There’s a brand to maintain! (Hell; look how many folks are upset by the pics of Spidey with gold eyes. How much more troubling to a person who’s PAID to fret the details?) So you’re pidegeonhoiled into a very small box, and the longer a fan sticks around the more likely they’re gonna notice recycled ideas and the ol’ “bait and switch.” IS Batman dead?!?!? No, you’re already soliciting for the next three books.... It’s tough to maintain an audience acutely aware of the lack of consequence.

    -....and adding to that, mainstream books have always shot for a “general” audience. Not a term I like, since it conjures up images of kiddie fare any more; but it’s used to refer to an expansive audience: nothing too nasty for the kids, but nothing too simple for the grownups. A “PG” kind of vibe. But even THAT can cause problems, since a grownup mind sees things differently. A grownup knows what happens when a building falls down: mass casualties. You can only watch Superman rescue SO MANY infants from falling buildings before you ask “why did mom leave the kid?” If you’re not willing to deal with things like that you’re not going to be able to hold onto a more mature mind. Even when they DID venture into “mature audience” stuff, it was done with much hand wringing and foot shuffling. (“PG-13") “We felt this was the tasteful way of doing the scene” became the euphemism for “we wanted to SAY it was a grownup story, but didn’t want to actually DEAL with the topic.”

    >Since there is no longer any central distributed fr digital content like their monthly print output, it really doesn't make any sense for them to release their proprietary digital numbers

    Oh, there is: hype. If they sold a million digital copies they could proudly wave the “we ARE the future!!!” banner. I think publishers are still really nervous about digital ‘cos they don’t understand (or control) the distribution system and they’re deathly afraid of piracy. For the old boys like Marvel and DC I think there’s also the problem of mixed messages from their base: newer fans might be okay with digital comics, but the vocal oldsters are always raising Cain about them. Since it’s the loudest folks they hear, that could put them off the format. (It could also help explain their rapidly changing, and seemingly schizophrenic editorial decisions.)

    Don C.
  • madmarva
    Talkative Member
    • Jul 7, 2007
    • 6445

    #2
    I think it will be interesting to see what the top 10 looks like next month. If DC is still 10 for 10 and holds an equal or better share of the market, will Marvel begin to examine its policy of flooding the market with multiple titles of the same characters. It's got to cost them a lot more to print nearly twice as many titles as DC and only make the same amount of money.

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    • samurainoir
      Eloquent Member
      • Dec 26, 2006
      • 18758

      #3
      DC not winning the cost per product category by that much... They have the top tier it seems, but Marvel seems to have shored up their mid list better.

      Of course the direct market now seems to be less of an indication of overall all success now that it isn't necessarily the prime revenue stream any more, or if it really has been for more than a decade with the Superhero movie dominating Holywood. Even bx office is no indication of success given the licensing opportunities. we can only speculate on digital, but there is now also significant movement within the best seller lst in the book markets like the New York Times and Amazon best sellers.

      The number of graphic novels with movie tie ins like Watchmen and Scott Pilgrim for example are incredibly significant in a way that the direct markets don't quite have the accurate metrics for.
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      • madmarva
        Talkative Member
        • Jul 7, 2007
        • 6445

        #4
        DC locking down the top 10 books for one month is a minor embarrassment to Marvel and nothing more in the grand scheme of things, particularly if sales percentages cycle back to where they were last summer.

        Now if Aquaman and nine other DC titles outsell Spider-Man, X-Men and the rest of the Marvel line for a year, then there might be some true concern.

        As for the films and licensing, Marvel makes just as much from those areas whether there is one Spider-Man title a month or 10. Heck, there's a Ghost Rider movie coming out soon and I don't know if the character even has a title any more.

        Marvel flooding the market with similar titles could be counterproductive. Did having 10 X-Men or 7 Spider-Man or 5 Avengers books in a month drown Moon Knight or did it drown an independent or DC book or did it drown all of them. At some point Marvel could cannibalize itself rather than eat away at the competition.

        I'm sure Marvel's bean counters know this better than I do.

        I really don't follow sales, anyway. Could really care less, other than the fact I like comic books and I like comic book stores. I tried digital and don't care for it. Trades are OK, but I prefer monthly books.

        I know monthly books are considered an endangered species, but I would like to see them thrive because that's the way I like to consume stories about super heroes.

        Some comics readers on message boards professed they were done with DC because of the relaunch. I know some of it was more bravado and wanting to fuss (that's the nature of message boards) than anything else, but did DC's relaunch not only frustrate those people enough to drop DC books but also drop Marvel and other titles, too? Just get out of the comic market all together?

        Or are comics in general selling about the same as a year ago with more people selecting DC books at the cost to titles from other companies or are consumers buying more DC books period?

        It's probably too soon to know for sure.

        I've noticed a lot of DC product sitting in stores unsold.

        it's going to be interesting to see how well the trades on the New 52 sell. With more people supposedly buying the monthlies will the collections do as well?

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        • ctc
          Fear the monkeybat!
          • Aug 16, 2001
          • 11183

          #5
          >It should be pointed out that comics have returned to the mass market in quite a huge way, except it's not within the dying newsstands market, it's within the uncertain bookstore market... And now a little thang we call the Internet, which cam be accessed 24 hours a day from the comfort of your own home.

          I kinda wonder if that’s THIS incarnation of the 80's version of the 80's independent boom. A lot of the longer lasting independents published compilations and “graphic novels” all along, and I can’t help but feel that the Japanese stuff bringing readers into the bookstores gave them an in too since they were already publishing in appropriate formats.

          The jump to digital will be interesting to watch. A lot of the online guys do a combo of online and print on demand. I wonder if that’ll continue?

          >Comics via the newsstands would have died out.... Archie being the exception of course, and Harvey, charlton, and all the other newsstand companies being the ones to go away. Dc and Marvel retreating to the niche comic store market.

          I don’t know if that would have been the case.... at least for long. I think a part of what stymied the newsstand system back in the day was the image comics had cultivated. For a lot inside AND outside the market they had become “investments,” and discriminating purchasers didn’t want folded, thumbed through copies. Content-wise they appealed to an audience with ever-narrowing tastes, alienating potential readers. What I think brought a lot of fans back the last decade was the accessibility of the books (bookstores, and that monthly SJ was EVERYWHERE!) And the current generation of fans growing up outside the old ideas of what “is” a comic book.

          I think, given the accessibility of comics you’d eventually see SOMEONE bring back the format, in some form. Like with cheaper printing techniques: one of the other bad things from the 80's was the propensity for flashy paper, colouring, holo-covers.... stuff that really brought the costs up.... and spoiled the audience; hence the benefit of a generation NOT being influenced by the preceding trends. (It made stuff like newsprint and B&W art viable again.)

          >They did not give up the newsstand, the newsstand gave up on them because the profit margins on comics vs the real estate they took up compared to higher price, higher selling glossy magazines ensured their demise on the racks.

          ....which I partially attribute to their short-sightedness. (As per the above.)

          >You've got Comico, who was convinced that the newsstands were the way to go after finding their niche in the direct market... The returns are what killed them, Now Comics as well suffered a similar fate as well I believe going off to try their fortunes within the magazine distribution game.

          Yeah, but I think that was in part ‘cos the newsstand audience wasn’t interested in the material. Comico was spoiled by getting the Robotech license, but with the advent of the VCR I suspect comic adaptions suffered. Now made a good go of it, but their properties were too nostalgic.... which wasn’t cool at the time.

          >Did having 10 X-Men or 7 Spider-Man or 5 Avengers books in a month drown Moon Knight or did it drown an independent or DC book or did it drown all of them

          That’s a good question, but I think you can also ask if it drowned the X-Men, or Spider-Man, or Avengers.... especially once they all started tying in so’s that you HAD to buy all 10 books to follow the story. Maybe. There’s also the question of cross-pollination: COULD Marvel have drowned an independent, or are the streams of supply too separate any more? Yeah, they could crowd them off a comic shop shelf, if that shop was gonna put up said independent. This is where I think the “rep” comics had.... what I was getting at a few paragraphs back, becomes a problem for the comic shop. It does them good to have a variety of stock: that way they’re not tied into the fortunes of any one genre.... BUT the idea of “comic” had become so fixed that they couldn’t stock any real variety ‘cos it wouldn’t sell. The regulars wouldn’t care, and those who might care would never think to hit the shop for the book. For example: when the Japanese stuff started getting big, the local shops carried it, but it wouldn’t sell. That was because the regulars thought “that manga stuff is all stupid” and the manga fans thought “that store’s all just Batman, isn’t it?” So the shops missed out on a big chunk of sales as the bookstores picked up the slack.

          ....and then there’s the problem of being an X-Men fan, but having to potentially pick up a number of books you don’t really care about for just the story.

          >Or are comics in general selling about the same as a year ago with more people selecting DC books at the cost to titles from other companies or are consumers buying more DC books period?

          THAT’S an interesting question too. Considering it’s ramifications, are Marvel and DC playing to the same insular crowd.... the superhero fan.... or are new readers being brought in from other genres, or from outside comics altogether?

          >I've noticed a lot of DC product sitting in stores unsold.

          That’s not always a good indicator of sales. Stores might have been selling, say.... 10 copies of Superman a month, then the jump and they’re selling 50.... but because of the sudden peak in demand they start ordering more, expecting the spike to continue. It may level off, but it’s still a big increase in actual sales.

          Don C.

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