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  • madmarva
    Talkative Member
    • Jul 7, 2007
    • 6445

    Green Lantern's relaunch

    I haven't read the latest issue that wraps up the first arc of the new Green Lantern series and I don't know if there is a moral to the story, but what I'm guessing Geoff Johns is getting at with Hal is that he's one of the those people who is so talented in various ways that he's never had to work hard to achieve certain goals or be successful.

    Like a dominant high school or even college athlete that finally finds himself in a situation where coasting by on his talent isn't enough. To reach his full potential, he needs to work, grow, learn, add complementary skills to his God-given or natural ones and to have some discipline.

    He's kind of portraying Hal as a guy who for whatever reason is a little scared of being all he can be. Why plan, when I'm good enough to find my way not matter the situation.

    Eventually, living that way leaves you down and out. Without his ring, Hal in the first issue is the equivalent of an athlete whose day has passed him by, but all he ever knew was the game. He'd sacrificed everything else for the game. His life was the game rather than the game being part of his life.

    Johns, in my opinion, is using Sinestro to show Hal that he can have a different approach to being a Lantern and in turn Sinestro may or may not learn something from Hal.

    Certainly, this is a revisionist view of Jordan. As soft as it may be, this is a relaunch for the character. Johns has regressed Hal to a degree to serve the purposes of the story he wants to tell. DC has been cagey about what's in and out of continuity. I think its safe to say, if Johns didn't write it, don't just assume it is in continuity. Even if he did write it, Johns may be selective about what he uses in the DCnU, and he and all the DC writers have the option to tap into past continuity (or not) and use what they want and alter it in whatever way they feel makes for the best story.

    I personally don't like the way Hal's being portrayed in Justice League or Green Lantern at the moment. I don't think it jibes with the way Johns initially described Hal back when he was writing rebirth. On more than one occasion, Johns said Hal was a born hero, that he was a hero as a test pilot before he got the ring and he's heroic without it. (that's a paraphrase). I liked that because that's how I sort of envisioned Hal, as a kid.

    In my mind, Johns isn't really portraying Hal in that way. Hal's become a jockstrap, to me, a bit more enlightened version of Flash Thompson, but just a bit.

    I understand that a guy can be a hero in one aspect of his life and a loser in another. It's a more realistic or maybe even more honest interpretation or version of the character.

    While I have my misgivings, I've enjoyed what I've read of the first arc, but I certainly hope Johns eventually evolves this new Hal beyond his current state of character.
  • The Toyroom
    The Packaging King
    • Dec 31, 2004
    • 16653

    #2
    I'm already getting bored with Sinestro being the lead GL in the title...And the Guardians creating yet another army of soldiers...sigh....
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    • thunderbolt
      Hi Ernie!!!
      • Feb 15, 2004
      • 34211

      #3
      reading that description sends me screaming back to my GL archives.
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      • Random Axe
        The Voice of Reason
        • Apr 16, 2008
        • 4518

        #4
        I'm really liking the new dynamic. Not surprised I'm in the minority on this. Hal Jordan, despite all of his talents, heroics and power, never came close to his true potential. His personal shortcomings and drama always held him back. It's taking Sinestro to show him what he was truly meant to be, quite a turnaraound from the Sinestro Corp. I think it's genius level writing that brought this full circle.

        Many call Johns a hack or lucky or both. I can't speak for his other books, but his Green Lantern work is exceptional and, from my reading experience, unmatched in comtemporary comics.
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        • madmarva
          Talkative Member
          • Jul 7, 2007
          • 6445

          #5
          Hey Scott, I think Johns has a really good feel for DC's characters and has always done a nice job of using continuity to his advantage and also finding ways to weave apparent continuity glitches together to do some fun stuff.

          His expansion of the Green Lanterns into the emotional spectrum was truly seeing things and making connections that many other very good writers didn't. He expanded on their work and made it even better in retrospect.

          I've enjoyed his work on Green Lantern for the most part, and I'm not saying his writing on the current arc or Justice League is bad, he's just made some choices for Hal after the relaunch that have gone along with the late 80s and 90s version of Hal being more of an arrogant screw-up than a hero.

          I really thought Johns had moved Hal past all that with his work on the character, but with the relaunch he's delved back into it. Of course, this is supposed to be younger versions of the characters, around the age of 25 instead of being 35 or 40.

          I'm sure it makes Hal a more fun character to write and it likely makes him more interesting to folks that started reading GL as teens or adults.

          But for me, Hal was my favorite super hero, just ahead of Superman, Batman, Cap and Spidey, and to basically see him as a dangerous loser with a super powerful weapon isn't really the way I like to view the character.

          As for Johns being a hack, I just don't think that description fits him in the realm of comics. Now, on one level, it would be easy to describe most work in comics as hack work, just like the majority of the work in journalism or any other writing that is governed by time constraints. There simply isn't time to "perfect" the product in most instances. But, to me, the guy knows how to write super heroes about as well as anyone doing it during the past decade.

          However, I think he, like a lot of other comic creators, do get overextended and that affects their work. Part of being a comic pro is getting the work in on time so it requires saying "good enough" at times. However, with GL, I don't think that's the case. I just don't like his choices for the relaunch. That doesn't make them bad or thoughtless, just not my taste.

          As for Sinestro, I'm kind of with Anthony. I want Sinestro to be the best VILLAIN Johns can make him. I like the idea of Sinestro feeling that his totalitarian ways is what's best for sentient beings and absolutely the right way to use his ring, but Sinestro, to me, shouldn't end up being a misunderstood anti-hero, who if things had just fallen another way he would have been heroic.

          No, Sinestro should be sinister and evil to the core of Korugarian heart, if Korugarians have hearts.

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          • BlackKnight
            The DarkSide Customizer
            • Apr 16, 2005
            • 14622

            #6
            I haven't read the Latest 2to3 issues of Green Lantern Yet ...
            I did end up buying some books ..., And got all the Green Lantern Stuff. I messed up somewhere's ..., and didn't get issue 3 of GL ..., So as far as Now .., I can't read that book until I do.


            I hate Sinestro as Green Lanten Again.
            I feel the over all message is ,.. Well " Jump the Shark" .
            I just feel there's plently of other Directions the end of War of Lanterns could have went ...., and Hated Jordan being stripped of the Ring. Then Sinestro Getting the Ring. Although I do think Jordan will end up Learning something from this ..., and so will Sinestro ..., I just hate the Direction.

            I also Hate Ganthlet being Brainwashed by the Rest of the Guardians.

            I want to like the Red Lantern Book so Much ..., But after 5 issues This Book is Going Absolutely No Where. Besides the Red Lanterns Fighting Amoungst themselves, and a Few of the Red Lanterns getting smarter so to speak,... it's gone No Where. Sorta Disapointed with this book thus far.

            Corps is Pretty good.
            I like how the Battle is Going ..., and that Direction but wish some Kilowog, Stel and Natu was in there. Those characters were so built up in the Last Run of Corps ..., now I miss them not being there. Stewart is Such a Boring Lantern to me ...., and is the Earth Lantern I dislike the Most. Guy Keeps the Book Going imo.

            My Favorite Book is The New Guardians.
            I love Rayner at the Helm ..., and Having to co-exsist with the Other Lanterns of the Specter ...., Ofcourse I am a Big Bleeze, Arkillo and Larfleeze Fan ..., and this Book just has my Attention the Most right now..., But it seems as if once the New Earth Red Lantern is introduced..., Bleeze might take a back seat in the Book. Rayners all Lantern Powers suit, screams a Custom to me. I just think this book is the Best 1 at this time ..., and really has my Attention.

            Other than these ..., I've read All the New Aquaman Books as well as as the New Batgirl books...., and I will keep these for a while atleast.
            Last edited by BlackKnight; Jan 22, '12, 2:34 PM.
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            • madmarva
              Talkative Member
              • Jul 7, 2007
              • 6445

              #7
              Not a fan of the Red Lanterns series. Atrocitus and Bleeze are OK villains but the whole mindless hate stuff never appealed to me. I barely made it reading through the first issue. Would really have rather had a Tales of the Spectrum or Kilowog title than this.

              I've warmed up quite a bit to Kyle since Rebirth. I liked him OK prior to that but his series never kept my interest. But in GL Corps he's been fun. I thought he worked well playing off John and Guy and Kilowog and the New Guardians series has held my interest.

              As for John and Guy, to me, they are supporting characters and that's about it. When John was created, he was a rebel, but that's all been stripped from the character for 25 years. Now, he's supposed to be the most cerebral of the Earth Lanters but he's also the most boring. Since he was brought back for Crisis in 85 and particularly with the JLI series of the late 80s and early 90s, Guy has been mainly been comic relief or the requisite hothead. I don't enjoy him or see him as a solid lead character.

              As for GL Corps book, the opening arc has played like Star Ship Troopers to me, frankly like a lot of GL Corps arcs have. The trouble I'm having with GL Corps is that the idea for the Corps originally was to have one and later it was expanded to two GLs in a sector to handle huge issues. They had incredible power, on par with or possibly more powerful than Superman. The GLs rarely teamed up because most of the time they had the power, skill, talent, intelligence, training along with the will, courage and honesty to handle most situations.

              But, now every month, the Corps runs into some kind of threat that takes 5, 10 or 30 or 100 or 1000 GLs to tackle.

              The Corps has really veered away from its core concept and in turn the GLs aren't as special or seemingly as powerful as they once were.

              Maybe that's necessary to do a book every month and maybe it's better overall, but for me it's kind of watered the concept down. When the stories are great, I don't think about this kind of stuff, but when it's the same old same old, It's a lot easier to pick apart .

              While I do like some of what Johns is doing with Sinestro, I'll be glad when he gets tired of him as "the star" of the book and gets back to focusing on Hal, or someone else is allowed to work with Jordan. Maybe Kurt Busiek or Peter David or John Byrne.
              Last edited by madmarva; Jan 23, '12, 12:20 PM.

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              • samurainoir
                Eloquent Member
                • Dec 26, 2006
                • 18758

                #8
                Green Lantern with Hal and Sinestro is the one GL book I'm really enjoying right now. I like that Johns has made Sinestro such a complex character. I think Johns has been taking all the strands that various creative teams have imbued Hal with since the seventies and woven it into a portrait of a man who is completely consistent with his inconsistencies. It really gives room for both characters to grow, both within their uneasy partnership and in their clashes together.

                Not that excited about all the other Lantern books... Although there s some great dynamic art going on in a couple of them. New Guardians intrigues me the most, but the pacing is pretty glacial.... Might work better read in collected edition. Not working for me month to month since you are given so little in the way of plot or character developement so many issues in. Given such a diverse batch of Lantern with such potentially entertaining chemistry, by now there should be clear relationships between each of them, which I'm just not seeing. Contrast this with the New Guardians arc in GL where Carol, Hal, Attrocitus, Sinestro, Larfleeze etc all had really well defined goals, allegiances, conflicts within their group dynamic.

                Guy's my favourite Lantern and I've always thought John's been hugely underrated since Green Lantern Mosaic, which was the best Lantern book of the bunch last time there were so many Lantern books on the stands. GL Corps is really obviously missing a great deal of heart with Kyle now out of the book. I' incredible indifferent to it, and with so many Lanterns to choose from,why is there such a distinct lack of character in this book? Too much posturing...and can you even tell one of these old school hard case Lanterns they have introduced from one another? If it's the dirty dozen, we should be able to distinguish each of them. Even as a plot driven book I'm really finding the plot pretty derivative of so much that's gone before. Yet another set of replacements for the Lanterns on the horizon? Will Thisbe any different than the manhunters or the alpha lanterns?
                Last edited by samurainoir; Jan 23, '12, 1:17 PM.
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                • madmarva
                  Talkative Member
                  • Jul 7, 2007
                  • 6445

                  #9
                  Everybody's made a lot of good points and it shows that one of the strengths of the GL line is that there are a ton of characters and everyone can have their favorites.

                  I think Tomasi a solid writer — if you like uneasy dynamics check out his Batman and Robin comic — and I hope he will flesh out Guy and John in GL Corps. I would like to enjoy the characters, but currently would rather read about Kilowog and Arisia and Natu.

                  I'm wondering what the end game with the Guardians is going to be. Since the end of Blackest Night, it's been evident something awry and that Sinestro is possibly right about them being more harm than good. I sure the books are heading to some kind of crossover this summer or next or maybe this fall.

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                  • The Toyroom
                    The Packaging King
                    • Dec 31, 2004
                    • 16653

                    #10
                    I know GL is supposed to be this big expansive space opera now but I wouldn't mind some done-in-one or smaller arcs where GL (Hal) tackles some of his older earth-bound foes. Johns has often done a good job taking old corny villains and amping them up and I feel he really hasn't done this for the GL universe since Black Hand....
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                    • madmarva
                      Talkative Member
                      • Jul 7, 2007
                      • 6445

                      #11
                      Yeah, I agree, Anthony. I've been waiting for years for Johns to do a take on Dr. Polaris or even Sonar, who did have a brief appearance in one of the Flashpoint minis. While it's not a traditional Green Lantern story per se, that origin of Black Hand issue you referenced is one of the high points of Johns' run and an excellent done-in-one that still advanced the story with subplots. Like you, I'd like to see more of that or at least mixed in on occasion.

                      Of course that type of story telling is out of vogue because of the trade/hardback reprint mentality.

                      Johns has become enamored with Sinestro and he's kinda of doing a Paradise Lost thing with him as the fallen angel of the Corps, which I do think is interesting, but why not give Sinestro his own series instead of the one note Red Lanterns and let Hal have his.

                      I guess Hal is supposed to be the Earth's primary GL, but if Johns is going to have most of his adventures off Earth like it appears with the first and second arc, DC is missing out by not placing Kyle, John or Guy in a series where most of the action's on Earth.

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                      • samurainoir
                        Eloquent Member
                        • Dec 26, 2006
                        • 18758

                        #12
                        Johns as always been more enamored with his villains than hs heroes it seems, and his most successful stuff seems to indicate this. You can read JSA as black Adam being the central Anti Hero protagonist that drives all the best story lines in that title. His Wally West run on Flash really was Rogue driven. The spark of Green Lantern Rebirth came from rehabilitating Hal out of Parallax, and then handing off the smoking gun to Sinestro as the proactive character throughout that run with the rise of the Sinestro Corps... Hal really as been established as purely reactive.

                        Folks here have expressed their disappointment with Barry Flash/flashpoint, and I think the reason that is, comes from the fact that the main villain, Zoom was constantly manipulating things offscreen. The best single issue of the dozen or so Barry Flash issues was the Zoom issue... If more of that was woven through contrasting with Barry, I think we'd have a much mre successful story.

                        I can't quite put my finger on why Tomasi's Batman and Robin isn't working for me... His Damian seems a bit off somehow. Should any mundane person really be able to get the drop on him for example? Trained to be the world's best ninja... Not likely. Grant Morrison seems to have ths odd gift of making unlikeable characters kind of fun... Such as his Emma Frost. Maybe it's the fact that Bruce and Daman are so much alike that you really can't say much about them without a contrasting character... Tim as Robin or Dick as Batman. The attempts in both Teen Titans and Toasi's Batman and Robin to soften the don't quite ring true to me.. But again I'm guessing because he's in a holding pattern for Morrison to create Daman's caracter arc.
                        Last edited by samurainoir; Jan 24, '12, 12:07 PM.
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                        • madmarva
                          Talkative Member
                          • Jul 7, 2007
                          • 6445

                          #13
                          I guess what I've enjoyed so much about Batman and Robin is Bruce struggling as a father. He's always portrayed as being in so much control, but he can't control Damian. Dick, Tim and even Jason showed deference to Bruce, but not his son, who actually idolized Bruce until he started actually dealing with him.

                          But, there's no doubt Morrison had a fine finger on Damian's character and does the best job writing him.

                          Batman with all the Robins has become like a weird version of "My Three Sons (or Four) Sons." I guess Alfred would be Uncle Charlie.

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                          • samurainoir
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                            • Dec 26, 2006
                            • 18758

                            #14
                            Now that you mention it, I do like the Bruce parts of Batman and Robin, and you are right, it does highlight an aspect we are unaccustomed to seeing.

                            Batman with all the Robins has become like a weird version of "My Three Sons (or Four) Sons." I guess Alfred would be Uncle Charlie.
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