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  • emeraldknight47
    Talkative Member
    • Jun 20, 2011
    • 5212

    #16
    I always love me some Denis Leary, but I gotta admit, after watching him for soooo long as Tommy Gavin (a character, despite his flaws, I adore), it'll be hard to accept him as Captain Stacy, but I know he'll put everything he's got into it...!
    sigpic Oh then, what's this? Big flashy lighty thing, that's what brought me here! Big flashy lighty things have got me written all over them. Not actually. But give me time. And a crayon.

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    • enyawd72
      Maker of Monsters!
      • Oct 1, 2009
      • 7904

      #17
      Originally posted by MIB41
      Enyawd72 you call yourself a Spider-man fan. If that is the case, you should realize the ultimate disrespect Sony is serving your hero. Sony is treating Spider-man like a television hero, where anyone can wear the costume. The attitude is obvious. Throw up the tent and the kids will come to see the clown show. Well Spider-man is no clown in my book. And that's what Amazing is looking to be. Spider-man's legacy in film is built on the work of Rami and company. Amazing will get served notice to that fact. You can count on it. Enjoy the kiddy show...
      I don't call myself a Spider-Man fan, I am one, as evidenced by my collection which I posted here. I've made it no secret that my favorite era of comics is the 1970's, and I love ALL incarnations of Spider-Man (as long as it's Peter Parker), even the Nicholas Hammond series. I don't appreciate you questioning my fandom because you can't deal with the fact that Raimi and company are over. Raimi's films got a lot right, but they got just as much wrong. Peter Parker was never in love with MJ since they were kids, never had organic webshooters, the Green Goblin didn't toss MJ off the Brooklyn bridge, it was a radioactive spider, not a genetically enhanced super-spider, Sandman didn't kill Uncle Ben, Peter Parker didn't cry all the time, etc. The list goes on and on, so don't put Raimi's films on a pedestal just yet.

      As long as the heart of what makes Spider-Man is there, which I believe it will be, Amazing will not be "served" anything. This is Spider-Man we're talking about. If he could survive the clone saga, he can survive a series reboot. This is no different than when a new writer/artist team take over the books. The Lee/Ditko era Spider-Man is just as different from the Romita era and the McFarlane era, but they're all good in different ways. I will even say, I feel Romita SURPASSED Ditko.

      Andrew Garfield has proven himself to be a fine actor. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can bring to the character.
      He's already traded tear-soaked kleenex for webshooters, so he's one step ahead of Tobey Maguire if you ask me.
      Last edited by enyawd72; Jan 7, '12, 10:28 AM.

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      • MIB41
        Eloquent Member
        • Sep 25, 2005
        • 15633

        #18
        Originally posted by enyawd72
        I don't call
        The Lee/Ditko era Spider-Man is just as different from the Romita era and the McFarlane era, but they're all good in different ways. I will even say, I feel Romita SURPASSED Ditko.
        Romita DESTROYED Ditko...

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        • MIB41
          Eloquent Member
          • Sep 25, 2005
          • 15633

          #19
          Originally posted by samurainoir
          Interesting fact about the story pedigree on Amazing Spider-man. SAME screenwriter as Spider-man 2 and 3. Lends some credence to the theory that this might not have originally been a reboot script to begin with. Particularly with the Lizard, Captain Stacey and Gwen Stacey set up in 3. Sans origin, you could very well have a Toby Maguire Spiderman script underneath that big pile of pouting hair gel.
          Alvin Sargent - IMDb

          Although some of that Harry Potter magic is in the mix as well...
          Steve Kloves - IMDb
          This dude also wrote Wonder Boys for Toby Maguire.

          I bet the sixty year old Spiderman fans are really hacked off that James Cromwell got the boot in favor of that fast talkin' whipper snapper Leary! (wait.. Isn't Dennis Leary approaching sixty?)

          http://www.zuguide.com/image/James-C...er-Man-3.8.jpg
          How can you forget J.K. Simmons as J Jonah Jameson? Loosing him is HUGE. He was an excellent choice for the character. And from everything I have heard there will be NO Jameson in this installment.

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          • MIB41
            Eloquent Member
            • Sep 25, 2005
            • 15633

            #20
            Originally posted by enyawd72
            I don't call I don't appreciate you questioning my fandom because you can't deal with the fact that Raimi and company are over.
            No one is questioning your "fandom". If you want to love everything that carries the Spiderman label, God love ya. Wrap it in a blanket and sleep with it. More power to you. I've only been pointing out what, quite frankly, is unanimous concern about this latest incarnation. I love the character too. I grew up watching the '67 cartoon brand new and collected his comics all through the 70's and 80's. The Raimi franchise gave the character incredible box office clout. He became the standard for every hero film out there. So yeah, I have quite legitimate concerns for how this incarnation came about as result of Raimi's departure and everyone leaving with him. Making blockbusters is a little harder than just putting on a costume and calling it "Spider-man". Clearly what has been shown so far excites you enough to defend the film. That's great. But what I've seen and read about concerns me. And well, I'm going to keep asking questions and have those concerns until I see something that tells me differently. We're both fans. Let's just cross our fingers and hope for the best. You think it's the second coming. I'm thinking it's second from the bottom. For Spidey's sake I hope your right. And you know what? If you are right, I'll be right back here saying so. But as a fan I'm pretty worried about it right now. I don't want Spider-man to become just another hero film. He has always been more than that, even in Spider-man 3.

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            • enyawd72
              Maker of Monsters!
              • Oct 1, 2009
              • 7904

              #21
              I really don't think you have anything to worry about...
              I hope I'm right too, not to prove you wrong, but because I love Spidey so much.

              While the Raimi films may set certain expectations, IMO they are not the standard by which all other Spider-Man film incarnations should be judged.
              They had a LOT of flaws. There was some perfect casting as you mention, like J.K. Simmons, but there were enough huge missteps for a new incarnation to have a chance at being just as good or maybe even better.

              I remember a time when nobody ever thought Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson could be replaced, and you see how that turned out.

              Besides, how can a Spider-Man movie directed by a guy named Webb not be good? It's an omen!

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              • Figuremod73
                That 80's guy
                • Jul 27, 2011
                • 3017

                #22
                Originally posted by MIB41
                Romita DESTROYED Ditko...
                I like the Ross Andru spidey myself :D

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                • MIB41
                  Eloquent Member
                  • Sep 25, 2005
                  • 15633

                  #23
                  Originally posted by enyawd72
                  I remember a time when nobody ever thought Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson could be replaced, and you see how that turned out.

                  Besides, how can a Spider-Man movie directed by a guy named Webb not be good? It's an omen!
                  Batman for me didn't get good (after Keaton) until Christian Bale put on the cowl. And I think he's excellent. BTW I pre-ordered the Hot Toys Keaton Batman figure. Can't WAIT to get that! What's your feeling about the Lizard?

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                  • enyawd72
                    Maker of Monsters!
                    • Oct 1, 2009
                    • 7904

                    #24
                    Originally posted by MIB41
                    Batman for me didn't get good (after Keaton) until Christian Bale put on the cowl. And I think he's excellent. BTW I pre-ordered the Hot Toys Keaton Batman figure. Can't WAIT to get that! What's your feeling about the Lizard?
                    I like the look of the Lizard...I see a lot of the early Ditko design in there, and I think they retained a more human appearance so the character is able to express some emotion rather than just being an animal, otherwise it would just be Spidey vs. Velociraptor.

                    Remember, we have to be afraid of the Lizard, but sympathetic to him at the same time. If you make the character too inhuman and frightening, you end up with Spidey fighting a soulless creature ala Giger's Alien who you feel nothing for.

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                    • enyawd72
                      Maker of Monsters!
                      • Oct 1, 2009
                      • 7904

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Figuremod73
                      I like the Ross Andru spidey myself :D
                      Oh yeah...my favorite ASM issue is #136 "The Green Goblin Lives Again!"

                      That double page centerfold is still my favorite of all time. Perfection!

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                      • MIB41
                        Eloquent Member
                        • Sep 25, 2005
                        • 15633

                        #26
                        Originally posted by enyawd72
                        Remember, we have to be afraid of the Lizard, but sympathetic to him at the same time. If you make the character too inhuman and frightening, you end up with Spidey fighting a soulless creature ala Giger's Alien who you feel nothing for.
                        Now THAT is the first good argument I have heard for his appearance. That gives me something to think about. Good point Enyawd72.

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                        • samurainoir
                          Eloquent Member
                          • Dec 26, 2006
                          • 18758

                          #27
                          Originally posted by MIB41
                          How can you forget J.K. Simmons as J Jonah Jameson? Loosing him is HUGE. He was an excellent choice for the character. And from everything I have heard there will be NO Jameson in this installment.
                          He was admittedly the best thing about the previous 3 films. Too bad it was a complete housecleaning... Even the so called reboot Bond kept Judi Dench as M.

                          I just Rewatched Lady Killers recently. Simmons is bloody talented.



                          Last edited by samurainoir; Jan 7, '12, 11:09 PM.
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                          • Figuremod73
                            That 80's guy
                            • Jul 27, 2011
                            • 3017

                            #28
                            Gonna miss his JJJ in this one. Probably the best casting in the first three.

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                            • samurainoir
                              Eloquent Member
                              • Dec 26, 2006
                              • 18758

                              #29


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                              • thunderbolt
                                Hi Ernie!!!
                                • Feb 15, 2004
                                • 34211

                                #30
                                Originally posted by MIB41
                                How can you forget J.K. Simmons as J Jonah Jameson? Loosing him is HUGE. He was an excellent choice for the character. And from everything I have heard there will be NO Jameson in this installment.
                                That's a big mistake, Peter needs a nemesis to spur him on in his civilian life as much as he does in his costumed clown life.
                                You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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