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^^^ Agreed!!!
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Spandex only looks silly when you don't have the right people both IN the suits AND making the movie...
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DAMN RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Every time some one says that spandex can't be done, I show them this and all you hear is OH ****!!!!!!! can i see that again!!!!Spandex only looks silly when you don't have the right people both IN the suits AND making the movie...
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Best BATMAN EVER on film!!!!!!Comment
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We must have watched Batman Dead End 1,000 times at my store. Everyone loved it. The kids, the parents. Good stuff for sure!Comment
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Man---I DO love that cowl on Batman, Sandy. You nailed it dead on----something Hollywood and it's millions of dollars STILL hasn't done! Be great if they would let YOU make the next series of BATMAN movies!Spandex only looks silly when you don't have the right people both IN the suits AND making the movie...
SCsigpic Oh then, what's this? Big flashy lighty thing, that's what brought me here! Big flashy lighty things have got me written all over them. Not actually. But give me time. And a crayon.Comment
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I really believe that they just dont want people to like them. They couldnt possible mess up that many comicbook movies could they?Spandex only looks silly when you don't have the right people both IN the suits AND making the movie...
Those suits look great on those guys who have the right build for the parts. Batman even looks rugged (battleworn) as he should be.
I havent seen this and already like it,lol.Comment
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I don't think it's a straight forward decision like that - but I think you're right in a way.
I think a lot of the creative process for these movies - especially with aspects like the pre-production work - get muddled in all the committee-ing that goes on.
You have the license owners AND a lot of studio execs because of the huge budgets AND you have people concerned with merchandising right out the gate - and their concerns might make more sense for merchandise, but not to the movie.
Also, with this much money on the line people are not going to just try things for creative reasons - they're going to look at what worked before and do variations on that.Comment
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I think your right. I know personally I dislike many of the things they come up with. Why even bother changing around Supermans uniform? I wonder how many meetings they were in just to come up with that decision. The energy, i think, should be put into the set designs, scene elements, and effects. Just let Superman be Superman.Comment
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Because then, there wouldn't be anything for the costume designer and his or her 50 person crew to do, now would there? Hollywood movies are about money. Not only the money they MAKE at the box office, but the money SPENT on making them. They employ tons of useless studio people, idiotic department heads, and so on-- Every single big budget movie you see in the theater, could have been made for FAR less and still be as good, even in some cases, BETTER-- But, the overpaid actors, bloated studio executives, and enormous art and design departments that need to "re-imagine" everything, have to make the payments on their million dollar homes, sports cars and be able to blow 40 bucks in Starbucks every morning...
SCLast edited by Cmonster; Dec 13, '11, 10:06 PM.Comment
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Hitler left it to his propaganda minister to try and cut down Superman. In the History channel special, Superheroes Unmasked! They called Superman, "A Jew".
Jack Kirby used to get threats about his comics showing Capt. America punching out Hitler. Thing is Jack Kirby was ready to back it up. In his Bio, Kirby! King of Comics it states they would call him from the lobby of the building and he would say, "Wait there, I'll be right down!" He was ready to mop the sidewalk with any Ratzi Sympathizer that wanted to take him on.
Actually the best balance of Fantasy and Reality has been Neal Adams' art and Alex Ross's art. Neal adams said if super heroes were real they would look like the way he draws them. In Alex Ross's case he does not try to make super heroes real. His paintings pull you into the super heroes world-their reality. If movie-makers would follow Adams and Ross's examples you could make super hero films realistic.
That's not so much of a problem because readers can accept that the clock is frozen for many other characters. Peanuts, Annie & The Family Circus never grow up. Beetle Bailey will always be in the army. Dick Tracy never rises above the rank of detective, The Shadow never gets old and retires from crime fighting. Those are the trappings of the characters worlds. People accept those facts. It's not a stumbling block to making a movie.Last edited by johnmiic; Dec 13, '11, 9:18 PM.Comment
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>the best balance of Fantasy and Reality has been Neal Adams' art and Alex Ross's art.
Well.... I might dispute the "best" monicker, but they're good examples. Ross is interesting 'cos he uses realistic techniques over the caroony designs. A lot of European cartoonists hyave been doing similar things.... to varying degrees for a while, and it's a good trick. You gotta balance things still, and there's a significant amount of "to taste" involved.... but for American supers Ross hit it pretty good. Adams is a neat example too, 'cos he doesn't really draw realistic items, but he fudged a lot of the old theory on layout and action so's to add genuine mass and kinetics to the superhero mix; with nifty results. (Something I think Ross often falls short of. Most of his stuff looks to posed; although that's been a viable technique since the 90's.)
>If movie-makers would follow Adams and Ross's examples you could make super hero films realistic.
Or at the very least add some new flavour to the mix. It seems like every movie superhero of the last decade shops at the same Noir Leather outlet.
>readers can accept that the clock is frozen for many other characters. Peanuts, Annie & The Family Circus never grow up.
This is why I never let the audience off the hook for mediocre entertainment. I think superheroes shot themselves in the foot back in the 80's; when they became "relevant" 'cos it brought too much attention (and resulting hype) to things like the passage of time. Things the older fans had reconciled themselves to, just as the fans of the newspaper comic strip did. Our generation became obsessed with continuity, which put the writers in a bind as time passed and you had to cater to vocal oldster fans as well as new ones. You couldn't do the old "change the book midstream" trick to make the book more appealing to the current generation of readers 'cos people would notice and (unlike previous generations fo readers) complain. Loudly.
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Keaton's bat suit was terrible.
All the 80s/90s bat suits were terrible.
The bat suit should allow for flexibility, and not be a rubber straight jacket.
Bale's bat suit is only marginally better.
If film makers must "update" the bat suit while retaining the essence of the comic book version, they could do a lot worse than look to the Arkham Asylum & City games for some inspiration.PUNY HUMANS!Comment
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Yep. All the while a family of four can no longer afford to go and see a film without emptying the wallet. A large bag of popcorn and drink cost more than the actual movie.Because then, there wouldn't be anything for the costume designer and his or her 50 person crew to do, now would there? Hollywood movies are about money. Not only the money they MAKE at the box office, but the money SPENT on making them. They employ tons of useless studio people, idiotic department heads, and so on-- Every single big budget movie you see in the theater, could have been made for FAR less and still be as good, even in some cases, BETTER-- But, the overpaid actors, bloated studio executives, and enormous art and design departments that need to "re-imagine" everything, have to make the payments on their million dollar homes, sports cars and be able to blow 40 bucks in Starbucks every morning...Comment
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>A large bag of popcorn and drink cost more than the actual movie
"That's a #5!"
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Thats why I have no problems with sneaking stuff in wearing a coat with inside pockets. Ive been doing it for years.Comment
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