Jsa #54

[Bionic Joe]

OH my god the DCU killed Alan those *******s
That's the last straw from now on make mine MARVEL

[BlackKnight]

Yeah, I get the impression that nothing published outside of the Batman and GL titles will matter next month.

Chris

But Yet in the Jim Lee /Johns JLA Book ... With the panel's floating out there ..., Batman and Green Lantern Hal have never met each other Before ?. Confused yet ?.

[thunderbolt]

^^ Because the JLA book is a Year one sort of thing, which will only serve to add confucion to the new readers DC is looking to gain.

[Earth 2 Chris]

^So if it's Year One, why isn't Super-Springsteen shown in the team?

Chris

[The Toyroom]

^ 'Cause it's Year One of the JLA...Super-Springsteen from Action Comics takes place even before that....

So it's Action Comics 5+ years ago, followed by Justice League 5 years ago, followed by all of the DC continuity they're keeping (including all the GL stuff) during a 5 year period, followed by whatever is going on in the books once the new #1s hit.

Oh, and from before the stuff in Action Comics 'til "now", apparently Batman has gone through 4-5 Robin "interns"...

Confused? I think the old pre-Crisis Earth 1/Earth 2/Earth XYZ stuff was easier to keep straight IMO

[stars]

Wonder if DC will reintroduce the characters in an Earth 2 setting?

[The Toyroom]

From the Fan Expo:

“Should we tease?” asked O.M.A.C. co-writer and DC co-publisher DiDio. The rest agreed, and James Robinson confirmed that he is working on a new Justice Society project with artist Nicola Scott, and that the parallel world Earth-2 will make a return. The crowd erupted into thunderous applause.

So maybe some good will come of this reboot and everyone will get their wish. In hindsight it was a mistake to put the Earth-2 characters on Earth-0 with everyone else after COIE. Especially since part of their charm was the once a year interaction with the JLA.

[madmarva]

I still hate the new Superman costume, but the more I learn what DC is doing with their relaunch the more I like it.

JSA on Earth-2

Having the JSA on Earth-2 and having Superman be the first super hero on Earth-1 (or whatever) is the best news to me since DC made the miscalculation that all the Earths should be mashed into one in the mid-80s. Love Marv Wolfman, but it wasn't as good of an idea as he and other thought.

As Anthony mentioned, one of the coolest things in the summer for me as a kid was the JLA-JSA team-up.

To me this is great. Give me an Earth-S, too. Captain Marvel has always worked best in his own world, where he wasn't overshadowed by other heroes.

And I absolutely love that DC is adding back that Superman was the first costumed hero, the one to inspire them all. Doesn't mean Aquaman and Batman (urban myth) and Wonder Woman couldn't being doing their thing in their own realms or off the world radar. It just means Superman is the first to go public and inspires the others to do so. Love it, love it.

Now if Morrison or Perez can come up with a cool story about why he must wear red trunks over his leotards, ditch the knee pads and acquire a yellow belt and a lower neck line, all will be right, lol.

[Blue Meanie]

Hey, it almost reached the same amount of issues the original All Star Comics ran in the 40's and 50's.

It really is a shame...I LOVE the golden age characters. All Star Squadron and Infinity Inc are still 2 of my favorite comics EVER.

[The Toyroom]

I still hate the new Superman costume, but the more I learn what DC is doing with their relaunch the more I like it.

JSA on Earth-2

Having the JSA on Earth-2 and having Superman be the first super hero on Earth-1 (or whatever) is the best news to me since DC made the miscalculation that all the Earths should be mashed into one in the mid-80s. Love Marv Wolfman, but it wasn't as good of an idea as he and other thought.

As Anthony mentioned, one of the coolest things in the summer for me as a kid was the JLA-JSA team-up.

To me this is great. Give me an Earth-S, too. Captain Marvel has always worked best in his own world, where he wasn't overshadowed by other heroes.

And I absolutely love that DC is adding back that Superman was the first costumed hero, the one to inspire them all. Doesn't mean Aquaman and Batman (urban myth) and Wonder Woman couldn't being doing their thing in their own realms or off the world radar. It just means Superman is the first to go public and inspires the others to do so. Love it, love it.

Now if Morrison or Perez can come up with a cool story about why he must wear red trunks over his leotards, ditch the knee pads and acquire a yellow belt and a lower neck line, all will be right, lol.

I will be the first one to happily eat crow if they (DC) can pull this off and make the DCU cool again after MANY MANY misteps and miscalculations since the original Crisis.

A lot of cool stuff came out of COIE, like the Byrne reboot of Supes for example which worked for me for a long time...but there also were misfires right from the get-go. And some 25 years later it's a mess again...more confusing than the old multiverse used to be IMO and right now they're only playing with one earth.

This should have been done right after Infinite Crisis instead of wasting years and dollars and losing readership....

[samurainoir]

Post crisis was generally a big win where it needed it most... The big guns in Suoerman, Batman and Wonder Woman, as well as Justice League and Flash got a big shot in the arm following legends. Suicide Squad got a good launch as well out of Legends.

Unfortunately the casualties kind of included Perez and Wolfman's own Titans which fell into the trap of trying to back peddle in the relaunch from a previously successful run pre crisis... Most notably the misfire of Who is wonder Girl. It's the common theme of all the books that tried to retrofit into the post crisis DCU and do handstands to a continuity that no longer existed. Pretty much all of Roy Thomas' stuff... Infinity Inc, Young All Stars. The Legion.

Green Arrow got a clean start with Longbow Hunters, The Question had a clean successful relaunch. Neither too slavish to what went on previously other than the wink and nod. theoretically Hawkworld could have worked if again they weren't doing the continuity backflips with the ongoing series after the successful "year 1" style pretige series.

Green lantern really floundered from one concept to the next until they had a relatively clean start with Kyle in the nineties... Who then went on a relatively successful long run.

Birds of Prey... Another book that just pulled the characters from their respective car wrecks of crippling and rape to move Babs and Canary forward.

The unfortunate collapse if the Titans franchise also finally gave Nightwing liberation from his shackles to launch freely, and you also had the success of the new Robin.

Supergirl and Aquaman had a great writer in Peter David, but again seemed hamstrung by way too much fan-service in both the direction of their reinvention with the competing previous pre crisis origins that gave it an even more confusing push and pull that eventually sank the books under so much unwieldy material.

[johnnystorm]

Boy, if this is true I'll be a happy camper. I never understood DC's insistance that the multiple Earths were confusing. I got it right from the start as a kid. My only confusion was as to why the JSA was on Earth-2 when they obviously had come first.

Hopefully this new Earth-2 will be a "kinder gentler" Earth, albeit with Nazis. And Power Girl & Alan Scott GL.

[madmarva]

This should have been done right after Infinite Crisis instead of wasting years and dollars and losing readership....

Totally agree, Anthony. And as Samurainoir and you pointed out, parts of the post crisis DCU worked really well. I too loved Byrne's reboot of Superman and Perez's Wonder WOman. I liked the JLI before it became more about the jokes than the stories.

But, the JSA has always been one of my favorite groups or concepts and I just never liked it as much after the multiple earths were mashed together.

And, again, I like Superman being the first super hero, the inspirational father of all the rest, just as he was in reality. It just works better. He's got a reason to wear a goofy costume (Kryptonian fashion) and as an inspiration to all the other heroes they do too.

My biggest hope with the JSA series is that the characters are in their prime and that it is set in during or just after WWII. They could just let Power girl bet the Superman of Earth-2 and maybe Huntress be the Batman. I think it would work and not be as redundant.

If DC truly does go back to the characters' essence and rebuilds from there, I can see this as being interesting and fun.

As for GL and Batman, I guess DC feels that the creators have tapped into what's great about the characters already and they don't want too much change. I'm sure there will be some streamlining of continuity and I do hope there is at least a comic-book reasonable explanation for so many Robins in a very short period of time. I'm guessing that Batman's been working in some form or fashion for at least a decade and only went public when the JLA formed. So Grayson could have had about 5 years as Robin with three to four of them as an urban myth, Jason Todd bombs in say a year/ year and half, and Tim could have been Robin for about three years.

[madmarva]

If its James Robinson, I hopes its Starman James and not JLA James.

I totally agree, but to be fair to Robinson, DC had whoever was writing JLA so hamstrung with so many characters being out of play that the book could at best be JLA— B TEAM. Dwayne McDuffie, who did a great job with JLA in cartoons, couldn't get a handle on the JLA in comics with all the strings attached to writing the book.

Hopefully, with the JSA book, he'll be left alone to use whatever characters he wants in just about any way he wants.

[thunderbolt]

^^^ I don't really buy that as an excuse there are tons of b listers that would have made for a more interesting lineup than Robinson used. . ANd that really doesn't excuse him from the mess he made of Speedy And Ollie.