Red Hulk!

[danadoll]

Wow....That makes this even worse...As bad as the whole Spider-Man spider avatar pile of poo. This sort of storytelling is better left for elseworlds or What If stories...It doesn't belong in regular continuity, all it serves to do is FUBAR the character (just like the avatar thing did Spider-Man).

Marvel is going to need a major DC-Crisis-style reboot in about ten years, if they don't quit this crap.

Dana

Yeah, being a Hulk fan makes me leary of this, but, it's in Hulk's own nature that he changes,(The Maestro, and Mindless Hulk in #300 being my absolute favorites besides savage Hulk, how can you not like savage Hulk?) it's essential to the character completely. From what I've heard/gathered is turning red is due an ancient and select breed of person that embodies a red entity, anyone red colored, red gifted, type of person.

It's supposed to explain how Brian Banner survived the nuclear chamber he was testing in WWII that killed everyone else trapped inside during a failed experiment (It seems to happen to the name alot!)

It explains how his son Bruce, almost 25 years later survived a gamma bomb shockwave while saving a young man on the test site, it's supposed to explain why the linneage survived.

Now if this sucks I can have safe assurance for 2 reasons,

1.)Conan is monthly AND UNCENSORED!
2.)It will only be a arc I think, Hulk won't stay red and Spiderman won't stay black, it's just something new! If I don't like it I'll get the issues anyways cause I'm only under 50 issues away from having the complete Hulk series crossovers, comics tales to astonish etc, etc.

So I'm positive for a few reasons and skeptical for less.

*fingers crossed*

[Captain]

You're killing me! And now, thanks to you, I'm gonna have that song stuck in my head all night!

I cursed myself too..cant get that goofy song out of my head now. I even cracked out the dvd and watched it, trying to purge the crazy tune out of my head....but its STIlLL there...AAARGGH!

[samurainoir]

Yeah, being a Hulk fan makes me leary of this, but, it's in Hulk's own nature that he changes,(The Maestro, and Mindless Hulk in #300 being my absolute favorites besides savage Hulk, how can you not like savage Hulk?) it's essential to the character completely. From what I've heard/gathered is turning red is due an ancient and select breed of person that embodies a red entity, anyone red colored, red gifted, type of person.

It's supposed to explain how Brian Banner survived the nuclear chamber he was testing in WWII that killed everyone else trapped inside during a failed experiment (It seems to happen to the name alot!)

It explains how his son Bruce, almost 25 years later survived a gamma bomb shockwave while saving a young man on the test site, it's supposed to explain why the linneage survived.

Now if this sucks I can have safe assurance for 2 reasons,

1.)Conan is monthly AND UNCENSORED!
2.)It will only be a arc I think, Hulk won't stay red and Spiderman won't stay black, it's just something new! If I don't like it I'll get the issues anyways cause I'm only under 50 issues away from having the complete Hulk series crossovers, comics tales to astonish etc, etc.

So I'm positive for a few reasons and skeptical for less.

*fingers crossed*

Which issue did the WW2 Brian Banner material appear? I'll have to go check out that issue!

My understanding of how Peter David (and I believe Paul Jenkins) wrote the character is that the Hulk is actually a shapes-shifter in addition to his strength and invulnerability. He has no control over that ability because it is dictated by his Multiple Personality Disorder.

[Captain]

So let me get this straight......Banner would've/could've turned into the Hulk even without the Gamma ray incident because its in his DNA?

I also never encountered the WWII/old man Banner story....did he turn into a Red Hulk also?


New Cap, new Thor, Red Hulk, Spidey was back in black....Seems to me Marvel has run out of sixties/seventies storylines to rehash, and they are working on the nineties stuff now.

[Earth 2 Chris]

If that's true, the "red being" thing, along with the "spider avatar" are just a new versions of DC's former practice of heaping nonsense on top of their characters great origins.

Thomas Wayne was Batman (although that one was well done, it began the avalanche), Bruce was the first Robin, Joe Chill's mom helped raise Bruce. Superman's parents are really alive in a space coffin, but if Superboy/Man releases them, they'll die. Superman spent 100 years on another planet, deaged, got back in his rocket, and THEN finally came to Earth. Flash got his powers from Mopee. I actually think these were more inventive at least.

Chris

[The Toyroom]

Holy crap! Is it sad that I actually remember quite a few of these?

Thomas Wayne was Batman (although that one was well done, it began the avalanche), Bruce was the first Robin...Superman's parents are really alive in a space coffin, but if Superboy/Man releases them, they'll die... Flash got his powers from Mopee.

[The Sentry]

So let me get this straight......Banner would've/could've turned into the Hulk even without the Gamma ray incident because its in his DNA?

I also never encountered the WWII/old man Banner story....did he turn into a Red Hulk also?


New Cap, new Thor, Red Hulk, Spidey was back in black....Seems to me Marvel has run out of sixties/seventies storylines to rehash, and they are working on the nineties stuff now.

That I don't really know,Brian was sure of it though he was sure that his testing brought him a monster rather than a son (I.H.#312 the TRUE origin of the Hulk. Now THAT much I can go to reference on I have 10 copies of this issue, one of my faves!)

From the grapeline I'ver heard that this is supposed to explain this, his dad was not affected (or so he thought but he was always paranoid after the incident.)but it affected him so much he became a alcaholic and abusive to Rebecca because of her love for their child.

Which issue did the WW2 Brian Banner material appear? I'll have to go check out that issue!

My understanding of how Peter David (and I believe Paul Jenkins) wrote the character is that the Hulk is actually a shapes-shifter in addition to his strength and invulnerability. He has no control over that ability because it is dictated by his Multiple Personality Disorder.

That is also true but the Gamma-gene also plays a HUGE part in the evolution of the changes, when he is affected by something major, he goes through a change of sorts, sometimes changes so much he becomes a different personality altogether.

Savage Hulk=Banner's childhood,
Mindless Hulk(My 2nd favorite Hulk) is the product of "Nightmare"(You know, the dude Wes Craven ripped off to make Freddy Krueger?) talking to him while Banner had control of Hulk during "Secret Wars" (issue #1) but when Hulk came back to Earth with broken leg thanks to Ultron's near fatal blast in the last attack of the wars, he again was becoming unstable and Nightmare was the straw that broke the camel's back. Banner went away into the vasty nothingness of his own mind to not come back. Dr.Strange's banishment eventually brought him back to our world and sharing his body with the Hulk once again. Causing havok everywhere!

Mr. Fixit= his abusive father's personality, The Smart (or "The Prof" as some have been know to call him)Hulk=fake personality Leonard Samson created for him in issue #377 with the help of the ringmaster created the false personality due to the fact that Mr.Fixit and Savage Hulk were about to kill Banner inside of him (I mean literally kill him from the inside out what a great issue too!) and that was a temporary a way to subdue and subside the warring Hulks within Banners unstable mind.

Finally, The Maestro(My favorite!) It's not certain how he came to be but he is definetly a alternate universe Hulk being the product of the nuclear war on Earth in that alternate universe. The Maestro tells Banner to "Kill Himself" due to the fact that he didn't remember the events of "Future Imperfect" and swears that he is from an alternate universe. He is the worst of the actual Hulk running about.

The Devil Hulk is what the Hulk eventually will become(it has been said and makes the Maestro thing more a believable commodity), Banner and Hulk together have held him off 2 times from what I can remember, (issue 377 and the Jenkins run when Banner was diagnosed with Lou Gherig's disease) he dosen't exist yet, and it would be cool to see more of him sometime in the future.

Here's some more reference to Brian Banner if your interrested, (OMG Did I just give a 30 year tutorial about the Hulk here? God,I need help, serious help.*smh*)

Brian Banner

[saildog]

Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb...looks like he's got a bad case of the 'roids....

I'm assuming by 'roids you mean hemorrhoids and not 'roid rage.
If that is the case ('cause that is EXACTLY what he looks like), I'm .

[samurainoir]

That I don't really know,Brian was sure of it though he was sure that his testing brought him a monster rather than a son (I.H.#312 the TRUE origin of the Hulk. Now THAT much I can go to reference on I have 10 copies of this issue, one of my faves!)

From the grapeline I'ver heard that this is supposed to explain this, his dad was not affected (or so he thought but he was always paranoid after the incident.)but it affected him so much he became a alcaholic and abusive to Rebecca because of her love for their child.

Ah! The Incredible Hulk #312. Also one of my all time favourite Hulk issues (albiet a rather infamous one as well!).


One of the most moving and compelling Hulk stories ever told, and creating the true origin of Hulk's rage. This was the issue that Peter David pretty much based his entire decade long run upon. The abuse that Bruce suffered in his childhood, and the murder of his mother at his father's hands became the traumatic event that fractured his personality.

What's not to like about this issue? Putting aside the fact that it's a Secret Wars 2 tie-in, including an appearance by a white jumpsuit wearing Geri-curled Beyonder (wandering around in a copy of Captain America's body), it's got some great art by Mike Mignola. I've never been a great fan of Gerry Talaoc's inks, but in this case they give Mignola's style a kind of roughness that seems to work for the story being told.


I've heard Bill Mantlo often criticized for his writing, and I've always trotted out this one issue as one of my all time favourites. Until it was pointed out to me that Mantlo plagiarized material written by others a couple of times on his run on the Hulk. The first was a Harlan Ellison story (that also was plagiarized for The Terminator!). The second was this issue. Only it was from material by Barry Windsor Smith that was never published!

In fact BWS had begun writing/drawing that issue of The Hulk that delved into Bruce's childhood before it was canned by Marvel for some reason or another. Those pages will eventually be published as part of an OGN called Monsters.

The pages of Smith's graphic novel have a remarkable similarity to Mantlo's story for Hulk #312.

[The Sentry]

That's it! What a great issue indeed!This issue explained alot in his life not ever explored before. Before the bomb we knew nothing about Banner/Hulk but those who read understand, one of the reedeeming things about the Hulk movie IMO(Bruce even had the toys in the movie). But this issue explains Hulk Minus 1 as well when Brian died it reveals the killer, *Spoiler Begins*Banner did it.*End spoiler*

312 starts. Minus 1 ends. If you want Banner before the bomb, here it is at it's best!

Also, another reason why Hulk turning red will be interresting to me at least.

Change will do ya good as long as it's written right.

Hell, I'm game.