Have you actually read "Seduction of the innocent"?

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[samurainoir]

>Comics as legitimate adult entertainment took a long time.

I think we’re still working on that, actually. Very few grownup comics come out these days, and the SUPPOSED ones that do are mostly 14 year old fan service, or 15 year old pseudo-intellectual pap.

Which grownup comics are in your longbox/bookshelf/recommended reading list Don?

[ctc]

>Rather than make ALL comics suitable for kids you wish they had reconized some comics were intended for different audiences.

Yeah, that was the big problem. At the time they WERE for different audiences, but post-Code they all had to be kid safe. What always bothered me about that was how newspaper strips didn’t suffer the same fate, even though they were MORE accessible, and often just as questionable. But riling up the masses has never been based on reason.

>Comics as legitimate adult entertainment took a long time.

I think we’re still working on that, actually. Very few grownup comics come out these days, and the SUPPOSED ones that do are mostly 14 year old fan service, or 15 year old pseudo-intellectual pap.

It’s a question of theme, really. Writing about stuff that weighs on a grownup mind, rather than the things that trouble adolescents. One of the points not discussed about the crime comics is that they were the equivalent of all them “true crime” doccunovels that fill the bookshops. And I suspect they appealed to the same audience: an older crowd looking for something with the kick of a novel, but the sheen of real news, based around things a grownup thinks matter.

Adding blood and a sex scene to “Weird Mutant Superthrills” doesn’t make it a grownup book.

Don C.

[thunderbolt]

Peas and Carrots are good together.

[TrueDave]

So, if you were a parent, you'd depend on others to tell your children what was appropriate for them to view, read, etc? That's the damn parents' job. When you start letting others tell you what is ok and not ok you are going down the slippery slope of censorship. PMRC anyone?

Well if your kid asks to watch a DVD and it's made by Nickolodeon you usually Trust them to be okay. Yes.

I don't have cable or know if there is a cartoon station you trust.

I dont want over PC. I think it's crazy out there as is.

Just seperate the peas and teh carrots.

[TrueDave]

By "new Direction" I meant the NEW "new Direction" M.D. , Panic, Valor, Psychoanalysis. Piracy etc.

Post Wetham blow up.

I do not know much about the details of the seal. I do know Swamp Thing Lost it and I thaought it was cool as a teen then Jenette Khan ( I think) censeored the Jesus Meeet sSwamp Thing story and I didnt like it.

Back then and today you cant preread EVERYTHING a kid sees. I just dont see how it could have been possible then or now. Theres no wauy you could absolutely see everything first .No way to keep a comic out of a kids hand.

I see what you are saying about what the code did.

It should have split the comics business instead of censoring it. Our Hobby would have been reconized as legit a lot sooner.

Rather than make ALL comics suitable for kids you wish they had reconized some comics were intended for different audiences.

Oh yeah that would have been great . Never even thought of it. Comics as legitimate adult entertainment took a long time.

Wertham I have not read much on besides a few Comic Mag Articles and his book.

Excellent point abut juvinille deliquents and comic books. Everybody reads then so oit proves nothing. I agree .

I also thought his ideas on Homosexuality and Batman and Superman belittling humankinds accomplisments were silly.

I would like to read a non biased story about what happened back then. I get the whole witch hunt thing. I'm familiatr with it when Moms went after Aurora Models .

I do think its ironic Werthams book is out of print yet EC is being reprinted constantlly.

[fallensaviour]

^^^^ Exactly ^^^^ LOL

[samurainoir]

Yes I understand,I was being sarcastic...Perhaps this would help.

Does that help???...LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF7MroTLDfU

[fallensaviour]

Yes I understand,I was being sarcastic...Perhaps this would help.

Does that help???...LOL

[samurainoir]

Wertham isn't even close to the writing genius of King,Carpenter or spielberg he doesn't even belong in the same sentence as those guys!!!

I think what Dave is trying to express is that Stephen King, John Carpenter and Stephen Spielberg all acknowledge the influence of EC Comics on them growing up and their creative work as adults.

Although i'm not quite grasping the Wertham connection.

[fallensaviour]

How could you tell every book , website , video game , movie, etc was appropriate if things like the Comics Seal wasnt created?

That's easy check it out before hand that's what I do and I have three kids it's part of the job of being a parent!!!
To rely or depend on somebody else to tell you good or bad is lazy and ignorant!!!
It ranks right up there with idiots that slip and fall on ice outside somebodies house and sue them because they fell on the ice.Or people who spill hot coffee on their crotch and sue because the cup never said the coffee was hot!!!

Hey its great stuff warped minds like Carpenter, King, Speilburg, etc.
BUT it wasnt suitable for kids.
You want your kid reading a comic that shows a guy throwing his girlfriend off a rollercoaster because he finds out she pregnant? On teh cover?

Wertham isn't even close to the writing genius of King,Carpenter or spielberg he doesn't even belong in the same sentence as those guys!!!
The only thing they all have in common is they all wrote fantasy,only Wertham believed his own drivel!!!
And amassed a cult like following.Kind of reminds me of David koresh!!!

Ridiculous plain and simple.