Jim Lee's DC Contract is up!

[BlackKnight]

I don't think you can.
Think of all the people like Dane out there,.. that were still buying the book because of Lee's Name. Everyone Who wanted a Story,.. quickly stopped buying,.. after issue 1..., & if anyone was still Hanging on for that reason,.. they were most definately gone after issue 3.

Delays sure don't help books,.. because you never know when the book is comming out.

[thunderbolt]

^^^ That's my point, if it was a regular Lee art book, it would still be around despite the idiotic "story" of Miller's. Fanboys would have followed it forever. I quit after issue one, it was just that bad, and blatently a Lee pinup book.

[BlackKnight]

"Fanboys" of Lee's Did Follow it.
& Made it Popular in Sales as well. That was Not because of Miller. Thats pretty much my Angle of Debate..., Lee's art Made the Book Popular,.. it wasn't Because of Miller's Nonsense people continued to Buy. Take Lee's Name off that book,.. & that book woulda Ended after issue 5,.. if there.

Lets face it,.. All Star was some Failed Crap to compete with Marvel's Ultimate Line.
There was alot of interest in the Superman Book,.. But for the Most part,.. it's just some Failed Universe that DC Fan's didn't like.

[thunderbolt]

The Superman book was a 12 issue miniseries, and it should have been belled as that. Won Eisner awards, too. It was the best Superman I'd read since Byrne's reboot, and hopefully Morrison will be involved in the movie Supes reboot. Still, If Lee could have managed to draw a regular book on schedule, it would still be around. Kinda sad that some can't see past the art, but its true.

[BlackKnight]

Nobody *****ed about Lee's Art in the Book, Besides Lee Haters.
What people *****ed about was Miller's issue to issue writing. That book Failed for a # of reasons,.. but only continued to Constanly Sell for 1 reason. Jim Lee.

[thunderbolt]

And due to his inablility to meet deadlines of any sort, the book is gone.

[The Bat]

And due to his inablility to meet deadlines of any sort, the book is gone.

And to reiterate...Jim needs to stop any involvement in the running of WildStorm...and just draw, and he won't have a problem keeping his deadlines.

[The Toyroom]

Yeah I gotta agree with BK on this one.....I dropped the book after the 1st issue because of Miller's writing, not Lee's art or his lack of adherence to deadlines. If the story was good, I'm sure I would have continued to pick it up despite any delays on the part of Jim Lee. But since the story sucked I couldn't justify the cash for a pin-up book accompanied by Miller's crappy dialogue.

Delays are annoying yes, but if it's worth the wait, then I don't care (unless it's a Kevin Smith, who still hasn't finished that Daredevil/Bullseye mini-series)....case in point, The Legion of 3 Worlds mini. Delayed, delayed, delayed....but I dug the Geoff Johns fanboy wink-wink nudge-nudge script and the superb George Perez art.

[The Toyroom]

And due to his inablility to meet deadlines of any sort, the book is gone.

Doesn't it also have something to do with the editor being canned by DC....?

[jasonmego1277]

To be honest I am not too sure what Jim Lee may be best suited to do next. I basically stopped reading comics when he was doing X-men. I continued to collect here and there and have some of his Superman and Batman issues. I just don't have enough experience with his Image Comics work. I thought the divorce with Marvel was nasty or least that is what I heard so I agree would he even go back there ? I have feeling he will stay with DC. Is he really that bad about turning in his work on time ?

[The Bat]

Is he really that bad about turning in his work on time ?

Jim has never stopped his involvement in the running of Wildstorm...which is just stupid...let someone else do it! He's the BEST Artist in the business...he should just DRAW!!

[samurainoir]

Jim has never stopped his involvement in the running of Wildstorm...which is just stupid...let someone else do it! He's the BEST Artist in the business...he should just DRAW!!

Given the fact that the tiny print in all DC Comics and their trades indicate he's a VP level exec, I'm sure that kind of salary demands much more than just drawing books.

And I'm sure part of his original Golden Handcuffs deal with DC in selling Wildstorm and allowing him to remain on the left coast was probably stipulated in his deal.

One point that has been raised since DC Entertainment is now being managed out in California, does this strengthen his position within the hierarchy if he stays?

Although it hasn't been a problem with Marvel so far with the West Coast-Movies, East Coast-Comics divide.

[madmarva]

My understanding is that the delays with All-Star Batman had as much to do with Miller being late on scripts as Lee being late with the art.

Miller's overall lateness dried up all the lead time built into project for Lee. Miller became more and more involved with the Spirit film and All-Star Batman got pushed to the side.

Miller's lateness forced Lee to put other projects — DC video game — ahead of All-Star Batman deadlines because ultimately the video game is expected to be a bigger cash cow for DC and Warners than any comic book.

Again, my point earlier isn't that a Jim Lee Aquaman comic wouldn't sell. It would, but a Jim Lee Batman or JLA book would sell so much more. To justify the cost of his work, DC has to put Lee on books in which it will get the biggest bang.

This is the same reason DC won't let Ethan Van Sciver do the Plastic Man book he wants to do. Plastic Man is just not popular enough to put on one of DC's most popular and slowest artist . The potential sales just wouldn't justify it.

Again, if Lee demanded to do Aquaman, DC would probably let him, but if you have your choice of characters to work on, why Aquaman?

Now, Lee may take it as a personal challenge to lift Aquaman out of the mire, but if he had an overwhelming desire to do Aquaman, he probably would have already taken the shot by now.

[thunderbolt]

Van Schiver would be a bad fit for Plas, I don't think his style would work. Kyle Baker was a perfect one for the book and it had critical praise, but didn't sell. If DC ever tries Plastic Man again, a Darwyn Cooke type cartoon style would work well. Maybe he'll pop up in the DC pulpiverse eventually.

[The Toyroom]

If DC ever tries Plastic Man again, a Darwyn Cooke type cartoon style would work well. Maybe he'll pop up in the DC pulpiverse eventually.

I think putting Plas in the new pulp universe would be a mistake....isn't it a universe sans super-powers?