Disney Buys Marvel

[samurainoir]

As scary as Ledger looks, it doesn't compare to a zombified Spidey who looks to have stuck his hand THROUGH his bride in that statue. That statue was the offender that I spoke of earlier. And it was down low, in a case, right under a cash register.

Also, the Joker was created as a scary serial killer. DK harkens back to the earlier, and modern comic versions of the characters. I don't think Lee and Ditko ever intended for Spidey to disembowl and eat people.

Chris

We all know that's not how it really works when it comes to Authorial intent and licensed properties owned by multimedia conglomerates is it? Particularly when by it's very nature, hundreds of thousands of people as work for hire hands create under the Authorial Identity of "Marvel Comics" and more recently "Marvel Entertainment", and in the future "Marvel-Disney".

Batman also carried a gun and went around shooting people. Seigel and Shuster wanted Superman to go around punching politicians.

"Marvel Comics" is the author on record of Spider-man, and Lee and Ditko really haven't had a say in the fate of Spiderman for four decades. Whether they object to Spider-Zombie or not, it comes part and parcel with signing away your rights by doing Work For Hire. Doesn't mean they shouldn't share in the profits of those $150 Spiderman statues though, in reflecting the kind of Royalty deals someone like Liefeld gets for Deadpool action figure and movie rights. Stan Lee has had his payday over the years (and even he had to sue Marvel to get it), but my understanding is Ditko washed his hands of Spiderman long ago and does not want a cent of the Spider-money ala Alan Moore and Watchmen.

[BlackKnight]

I seriously Doubt Joker Was Created to Brutally Kill a Robin with A CrowBar,.. & then Blow the Dude up with a Bomb,.. Or Shoot & Paralize Batgirl Then Create Sexual Acts Upon Her Body & Take PhotoGraphs of the Encounter & Show them to Gordon Of what He did ...

& I am Sure Batman Wasn't Created to Get Blasted to a Skeletal Remain , to Where is Body is Dead, but He is Off World...

& I don't Give a Crap what Winnik Wrote,.. Dick Grayson was Not Created to Be Batman Either.

All Comics Have Graphics..., To me a Mindless Zombie in a Fictional Story is Seriously Harmless Compaired to a Serial Killer/ Sex Offender/ Child Murder'er .. Those Actually Exsist,.. & you Read about them all Day long in the Paper,.. & the News.

The Idea of the Joker is Far more Horrifying on an Epic Level,.. than a Zombie,.. Because as of right now,.. Joker's Actions actually Exsist in the Real World.

[WheresRICHARD]

And for comparison sake, let's look at a video rental store like Blockbuster...

Look at all the different Batman products spread out across all the age demographics in various sections around the store...

Regular Release on the wall along with the rest of the Grown Up movies

http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/e/exclusive-the-dark-knight-dvd-trailer-400-75.jpg

http://www.exo.net/~ronh/DVD/images/large/B000AU9UYM.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Action Adventure Section

http://www.kingroom.com/movies/2008/batman/batman-dvd-1.jpg

Comedy or Classics section?

http://www.filmsinreview.com/archives/images/2008/04/Batman_DVD_Cover_UK.jpg

Over in the Anime section you've might have this one...

http://larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/batman_gothamknight_1dvd1.jpg

Kids Section

http://ttbmarketplace.cachefly.net/batman_caped_dvd.jpg

http://ttbmarketplace.cachefly.net/w27.jpg

http://www.scifimoviepage.com/dvd/newadven_batman-dvd.jpg

Finally Video Game Section...

http://shaunmusco.com/images/Printed/PS2%20Covers/Batman_Begins_Dvd_ntsc-front.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2kjisMm3M9Y/SbmKKi28ovI/AAAAAAAAIM4/D7Md8KSsrkc/s400/Arkham+Asylum+Playstation+3.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eP-TQH6WbX0/SOpc6UnfDoI/AAAAAAAAF3A/wOco15XRCB0/s400/Mortal+Kombat+vs.+DC+Universe+Video+Game+Box+Art.jpg

Is anyone complaining that it's inappropriate to have The Dark Knight DVD or Arkham Asylum Video Game in the same store as Batman Brave and Bold?




Now by comparison. You go to Toys R Us...

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/spiderman-shoot-n-grab-pk.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bfUEirTtL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

http://spideysalesense.com/images/spiderman_superhero_squad.jpg

Now go to a comic store, behind a Glass Case, probably up high with a price tag of $150...

http://www.forbiddenplanet.co.uk/images/D5601.jpg

And let's not even pretend the the contemporary comic store is necessarily making anywhere near their bulk profits in sales of comics for kids. ALL of these places cater to the adult collector. Who in their right mind is going to buy their kid a $150 Spiderman Zombie statue? And if the store is one of the rare places that happens to carry kids stuff, more often than not, I've seen them (at least the good places you'd even consider taking a child to) has a separate kids section, just like a video store or a book store. If your local comic store is putting The Walking Dead trade paperbacks next to Disney's Cars comics, it's time for a new comic store!

Let's face it, the average child has a better chance of seeing that freakin' scary Heath Leger Joker Poster from The Dark Knight on a Subway ad or at the Movie theatre while catching the latest Disney movie than they will ever catch a glimpse of the Marvel Zombies statue within their childhood.

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Batman_The_Dark_Knight/the_dark_knight_movie_poster_joker1.jpg

Why no public outrage at how inappropriate The Dark Knight or Batman begins is for five year olds? Common sense seems to prevail within Movie Theatres, Video Stores and Bookstores where age-appropriate material are marketed and classified accordingly.

Whew, I thought you were gonna try to call BATMAN: THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD a kids' version of Batman, in which case I would have had words with you. I'm 41 and that's my favorite Batman cartoon EVER

[ctc]

>Then Marvel ditched everything and started over with #1 and these aren't the same characters.

AH! THAT I understand! Oh, the 90's... was there nothing you couldn't ruin? Yeah, it was kinda bad for them to take their books.... a big part of the appeal to which was the history and back story.... and reset everything. 'Course, after 400 issues you've pretty much done it all.... but it's a catch-22: you've got to keep the book going, so you need new stuff, but you're also constrained by the preceeding books 'cos a significant portion of your audience are long time readers.

>the Joker was created as a scary serial killer. DK harkens back to the earlier, and modern comic versions of the characters. I don't think Lee and Ditko ever intended for Spidey to disembowl and eat people

Hmmmm.... THAT seems like a cop-out to me, since Zombie Spiderman was intended to eat people. I hear this sort of argument a lot, and I kinda think it relates to the expectation thing I keep bringing up. Because of your frame of refrence (based on a few things, notably which version was your first and therefore the patterning one) it's easy for you (and a LOT of people) to accept the Joker as a bad, scary killer. Whereas it's tough to rationalize a vicious Spidey; even though it makes perfect sense given the context of the story, because your patterned Spidey doesn't fit the template.

And seriously; "Spiderman J" is SOOOOO wrong on so many levels!

....so very, very wrong....

Don C.

[haggis]

Three words:

X-Men Origins: PLUTO

Seriously, as long as they keep churning out half-decent films based on Marvel characters, I'll happily be mad about the mouse.

[Earth 2 Chris]

Three words:

X-Men Origins: PLUTO

Seriously, as long as they keep churning out half-decent films based on Marvel characters, I'll happily be mad about the mouse.

Actually, if there is a Mickey-verse mutant, I'd say it's Goofy. Sure he is supposed to be dumb, but he's a dog, yet he walks and talks like a man, where Pluto doesn't. What does this mean?!? I think he's a mutie freak!

Chris

[Riffster]

comics wise Marvel is following the same steps that had them on the brink of bankruptcy, 3 wolverine titles 10 x-men, the consoldated spidey to just Amazing but now a new title is coming out, way too many books at $4 a pop for the average person, 3 or 4 avengers titles? come on and sales are tanking on 2 of those Mighty Avengers has lost a good % in 4 issues alone.
You know disney only wanted the films and the merchandise.they may leave the comics alone. WB doesn't stick it's nose into DC

[jds1911a1]

I seriously Doubt Joker Was Created to Brutally Kill a Robin with A CrowBar,.. & then Blow the Dude up with a Bomb,.. Or Shoot & Paralize Batgirl Then Create Sexual Acts Upon Her Body & Take PhotoGraphs of the Encounter & Show them to Gordon Of what He did ...

not to that degree but in the 40's he was a sadistic murdering gangster in the 50's he morphed into the comical Joker we knew from the 60's show,70's cartoons, and comics till about 85

I don't Give a Crap what Winnik Wrote,.. Dick Grayson was Not Created to Be Batman Either.

agreed

The Idea of the Joker is Far more Horrifying on an Epic Level,.. than a Zombie,.. Because as of right now,.. Joker's Actions actually Exsist in the Real World.

too right

[johnnystorm]

Actually, if there is a Mickey-verse mutant, I'd say it's Goofy. Sure he is supposed to be dumb, but he's a dog, yet he walks and talks like a man, where Pluto doesn't. What does this mean?!? I think he's a mutie freak!

Chris

The Disney-verse is full of mutated versions like Goofy. Clarabelle Cow & Clara Cluck are "humanized" and yet we know there are normal cows & chickens on Grandma Duck's farm (at least Disney-normal...most animals still can think & rationalize somewhat if they cannot talk- like Pluto does).

Does Goofy think of Pluto like some sort of idiot inbred cousin? What levels of evolution exist...is there some bizzare caste system based on cognitive ability, or do Disney animals evolutionize similar to the tribes in Edgar Rice Burrough's Land that Time Forgot?

Stuff to make your brain hurt, for sure.

One thing that always bothers me is when Donald & family are shown eating turkey for the holidays, which is cannibalism.

[Wee67]

Interseting note on Disney's President, Bob Iger-

His late great-uncle (his grandfather’s brother) was illustrator/cartoonist Jerry Iger, who partnered with illustrator/cartoonist Will Eisner back in the 1930s to create — you guessed it — the comic book packager Eisner & Iger Studios...And their first hire was Jack Kirby, who as you know later became the co-creator of many of Marvel’s best known characters with Stan Lee.

It probably means little today, but I found it interesting.

[Earth 2 Chris]

Interseting note on Disney's President, Bob Iger-

His late great-uncle (his grandfather’s brother) was illustrator/cartoonist Jerry Iger, who partnered with illustrator/cartoonist Will Eisner back in the 1930s to create — you guessed it — the comic book packager Eisner & Iger Studios...And their first hire was Jack Kirby, who as you know later became the co-creator of many of Marvel’s best known characters with Stan Lee.

It probably means little today, but I found it interesting.

You know, I kind of wondered about that. I have heard his name before, when his picture and name were up on Newsarama, it did make me wonder if he was related to the early comic Iger.

Interesting!

One thing that always bothers me is when Donald & family are shown eating turkey for the holidays, which is cannibalism.

Ooh, yes that is disturbing. It's like eating your cousin.


Chris

[Wee67]

Ooh, yes that is disturbing. It's like eating your cousin.
Chris

It always comes back to zombies!

[samurainoir]

Actually, if there is a Mickey-verse mutant, I'd say it's Goofy. Sure he is supposed to be dumb, but he's a dog, yet he walks and talks like a man, where Pluto doesn't. What does this mean?!? I think he's a mutie freak!

Chris

[samurainoir]

Does Goofy think of Pluto like some sort of idiot inbred cousin? What levels of evolution exist...is there some bizzare caste system based on cognitive ability, or do Disney animals evolutionize similar to the tribes in Edgar Rice Burrough's Land that Time Forgot?

Stuff to make your brain hurt, for sure.

One thing that always bothers me is when Donald & family are shown eating turkey for the holidays, which is cannibalism.

Pluto's kind of like "The Gimp" from Pulp Fiction.

[kingdom warrior]