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  • MIB41
    Eloquent Member
    • Sep 25, 2005
    • 15633

    How do you rank the modern day Batman movies?

    Here are mine as they stand today:

    1) Batman 1989 - There is nothing like the seeing Batman done in his original, serious tone, back in '89. Nicholson still stands out as a classic Joker without overconceptualizing the idea and Keaton had it all in the eyes. PLUS I still LOVE that original cowl. Keaton just looked awesome in it.

    2) The Dark Knight - A close second, but still second. It's primary set back is Bale who is good as Batman, but somewhat dull as Bruce Wayne. Plus he overacts the vocal quality of Batman. Yes, he must disguise his voice, but convincingly so. Heath Ledger brings a brilliant and refreshing portrayal as the Joker.

    3) Batman Begins - This film earns third place simply for telling the whole story of Batman for the first time. It was done very well and I admired the way director Christopher Nolan explained (with some grounded perspective) how one man could undertake and conceal himself as the Dark Knight. Very smart film.

    4) Batman Returns - As much as I love director Tim Burton, it pains me that I can't rank his sequel any higher in this series, but I can't. I LOVE the choreography in this film. The Batmobile cutting through the snow and the textbook Burton-esque world of surrealism is beautifully displayed. But the stunning shortcomings in this film hender the believability even in Burton's world. The origins of both the Penguin and Catwoman are very weak and so outlandish, I still scratch my head after all these years - Penguins in a sewer? Penguins raise a child that is deformed from birth that strangely resembles them? Hmmmm. The Catwoman is born after the mayor throws his secretary out a window and alley cats lick her wounds which somehow grant her supernatural abilities? Hmmmmmm. I can buy into alot, but this is a stretch even for my imagination. I admire Burton's effort to inject a social message regarding gender perception, but it's underdeveloped. It's still a Tim Burton film though, so I watch it every year.

    5) Batman Forever - Val Kilmer does an admiral job as Batman, but the cartoon nature of the 60's is sliding into the series now. And while the 60's television show has it's OWN respectability and place in Batman lore, (including saving the comic book from cancellation in '66) it does not have a place in modern cinema since THAT concept was strictly a vehicle for television. I didn't think Jim Carrey brought anything to the role of the Riddler except his standard comedic slapstick which, while fun in places, lacked direction or reason. Tommy Lee Jones also appeared lost in his role as Two-Face.

    6) Batman & Robin - History has spoken on this film. No matter your taste or preference of era for Batman, the fact is it took nearly 20 years for audiences to accept a serious version of Batman after the television show ended. Reaching back to that comedic material in 1997 was simply a bad move and the franchise was deemed dead shortly after it's release. I don't believe this means the material involving Adam West is in any way inferior or lacks credibility in the history of Batman. What it does say is that audiences want a different approach for their cinematic experience. 'Nuff said.
  • Orion
    Museum Night Watchman
    • Mar 11, 2008
    • 824

    #2
    Originally posted by MIB41
    2) The Dark Knight - A close second, but still second. It's primary set back is Bale who is good as Batman, but somewhat dull as Bruce Wayne. Plus he overacts the vocal quality of Batman. Yes, he must disguise his voice, but convincingly so. Heath Ledger brings a brilliant and refreshing portrayal as the Joker.
    So true. Bale's gruff voice was the main detractor for me in watching this movie. I still really enjoyed it and Ledger was incredible as the Joker - - - I just wish someone could have controlled Bale on this aspect of his portrayal of Batman. I don't recall this being a problem in "Batman Begins" either, which shows it was something that could have been avoided.

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    • toys2cool
      Ultimate Mego Warrior
      • Nov 27, 2006
      • 28605

      #3
      I agree, the 89 one was and is still the best Batman movie
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      • kept back
        Persistent Member
        • Aug 2, 2002
        • 1203

        #4
        1. The Dark Knight
        2. Batman Begins

        The Burton/Schumacher films are so far removed from the character I find them utterly excruciating to watch. I think I would rather have my eyes scooped from my skull with a rusty spoon than suffer through any of them again.
        Of all the souls I have encountered his was the most...human.

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        • BlackKnight
          The DarkSide Customizer
          • Apr 16, 2005
          • 14622

          #5
          Dark Knight
          Beginings

          ... I do like aspects of the 89 Flick,.. I was like 14 when It came out & was one of the Many people that saw it ..., I can't really even Watch the Other 3 Films.
          ... The Original Knight ..., Often Imitated, However Never Duplicated. The 1st Knight in Customs.


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          • AJ Collector
            The Biggest Little Man!
            • Aug 24, 2008
            • 2148

            #6
            What no mention of Arnold as Mr. Freeze????

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            • BlackKnight
              The DarkSide Customizer
              • Apr 16, 2005
              • 14622

              #7
              Originally posted by AJ Collector
              What no mention of Arnold as Mr. Freeze????
              That was Horrible.
              His Worst Role Ever,... Well maybe a Tie with when He was Pregnant.
              ..

              & to think,.. Arnie wasn't going to be the Terminator,.. Because he was afraid of what people would think.
              ... The Original Knight ..., Often Imitated, However Never Duplicated. The 1st Knight in Customs.


              always trading for Hot Toys Figures .

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              • AJ Collector
                The Biggest Little Man!
                • Aug 24, 2008
                • 2148

                #8
                [QUOTE=BlackKnight;367688]That was Horrible.
                His Worst Role Ever,...

                You got that right!

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                • The Toyroom
                  The Packaging King
                  • Dec 31, 2004
                  • 16653

                  #9
                  Tom, I agree with your listing verbatim....spot on!
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                  • cdhall
                    Persistent Member
                    • Aug 14, 2004
                    • 1099

                    #10
                    The Dark Knight

                    The Dark Knight, despite Bat's voice this time as noted, may very well have been The Best Movie of All Time.
                    Batman Begins is 2nd and maybe the 2nd Best Movie of All Time.

                    (I'm sure I'd have to study that more, but Dark Knight was just awesome on Several Levels).

                    I did enjoy Batman 89 though as it has come to be called but at the time, in my first year of college and a Radio-TV-Film major I remember saying that it should have been titled "Jack Nicholson starring as the Joker with a cameo of Batman portrayed by Michael Keaton" or something similar.

                    I HATE(D) revisionist history, but I guess Comics do that a lot and I was not up to date at the time.

                    I didn't like the rewrite of the Joker as the guy who killed Dr. Wayne and Mrs. Wayne.

                    I don't know how the Ra's Al Ghul stuff in Begins compared to the Comics. I had quit reading by then.

                    I liked a mini comic I have called "The Untold Legend of Batman" which I know was also a re-write. But it seemed to work well.

                    Bale really should have done something about Batman's voice in Dark Knight. They should NOT have killed Two-Face. They should not have killed the Joker in 89 either...

                    I digress. Sorry.

                    I'll say
                    1. The Dark Knight
                    2. Batman Begins
                    3. Batman 89 (nice to have serious Bat, but he should have been in more)
                      --Demarcation for lack of quality to follow--
                    4. Batman Forever (My son's first Imax movie, I still like the song et al)
                    5. Batman and Robin (Really Awful but better than Returns)
                    6. Batman Returns (disgusting, not sure I've seen it all. Is that the one with the continuity errors during the Batmobile chase which the Police also seem to forget about? The Penguin was sick. Catwoman origin was also disturbing).
                    Last edited by cdhall; Aug 11, '09, 10:39 PM. Reason: clarify Best Movie(s) of All Time
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                    • thunderbolt
                      Hi Ernie!!!
                      • Feb 15, 2004
                      • 34211

                      #11
                      1-Dark Knight- as close to a perfect Batfilm we will get until they put him in black and grey tights and a 12 year old Robin for a sidekick.
                      2-Batman 89 Jack chewing up scenery was fun to watch.
                      3-Begins
                      4-Returns really liked what was done with the Penguin, Catwoman was so-so.
                      13-Forever Tommy Lee Jones made for a good Two Face
                      99-Batman and Robin Too bad we didn't get the Patrick Stewart Mr. Freeze instead.
                      You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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                      • The Bat
                        Batman Fanatic
                        • Jul 14, 2002
                        • 13412

                        #12
                        In my my Mind...there are ONLY two Batman Movies:

                        The Dark Knight
                        Batman Begins

                        And I love them both equally!
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                        • huedell
                          Museum Ball Eater
                          • Dec 31, 2003
                          • 11069

                          #13
                          I'm feeling kinda lazy right now so I'll just make THIS list for now...

                          1. BOTH BURTON MOVIES: I loved Burton's vision of BATMAN
                          2. BOTH NOLAN MOVIES: Nolan's vision, kinda a bit too dry for me--but
                          quite an accomplishment, and a decent "watch"
                          3. BOTH SCHUMACHER MOVIES: Like watching episodes of FULL HOUSE
                          ---horrid---but I can't exactly change the channel
                          "No. No no no no no no. You done got me talkin' politics. I didn't wanna'. Like I said y'all, I'm just happy to be alive. I think I'll scoot over here right by this winda', let this beautiful carriage rock me to sleep, and dream about how lucky I am." - Chris Mannix

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                          • Earth 2 Chris
                            Verbose Member
                            • Mar 7, 2004
                            • 32977

                            #14
                            1. Dark Knight: Bale did exaggerate the voice a bit. I hope he scales it back to Begins level, but other than that, pitch perfect.
                            2. Begins. I didn't think they could do any better...I was wrong. What Batman 89 SHOULD have been.
                            3. Batman (89):I loved it at the time, but it does't hold up. It really looks cheap, and obviously filmed on a back lot. Keaton does okay, and Nicholson is fun, but he's essentially just Jack's persona amped up.
                            4. Batman Forever: Tommy Lee Johns thinks he's working with Adam West, and Carrey chews up the scenery as expected, but amidst the bat-nipples and neon, there's a pretty good movie hidden in there, with a better Batman in Kilmer, and a nice take on the Batman and Robin partnership, even if O'Donnel is too old.
                            5. Batman Returns or Burton Unleashed. Honestly you could have put Depp in as Edward Scissorhands and it would have worked as well. Batman is barely in this. His suit looks better though. Penguin is a total misfire. Catwoman, even with her stupid origin, is the only thing that makes this one watchable.
                            6. Batman and Robin: I think this movie should take the honors of worst comic book movie because it had a huge budget (unlike Superman IV) huge stars, and a studio that was apparently smoking crack to let a director destroy a valuable franchise. The subplot with the dying Alfred is somewhat touching, and Clooney plays Bruce Wayne well, but that's about it. Thurman is okay as a campy vamp, but again, it's too much like the old TV show.

                            Chris
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                            • MIB41
                              Eloquent Member
                              • Sep 25, 2005
                              • 15633

                              #15
                              I think the reason why I love the '89 film so much is because it had to answer generations of sceptics that said Batman couldn't be done seriously. Burton was the perfect director because he understood he had to build a surreal world around Batman to sell the idea. The long shadows, gothic architecture, and colorful lighting; the dramatic posturing of the hand coming out of the water when the Joker was born all carried with it a pulp fiction quality. It was as if the comic book came to life and was playing in front of you. Tim Burton really opened the door to what has become one of the most popular and succesful genre's in film making. Now without a doubt, Richard Donner's Superman was also a masterpiece and a fantastic accomplishment. Still remains the definitive telling of our Kryptonian hero to this day. But as a kid I wasn't sure if I ever wanted to be the angelic-like Superman chasing after one girl. After I watched Tim Burton's creation all I wanted to say was, "I'm Batman."

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