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Mikey
Sep 27, '11, 3:46 PM
Do use consider the Hey Jude album an "original" United States Beatles release ? ...
Or do you consider it an early compilation album ?
Nostalgiabuff
Sep 27, '11, 4:07 PM
I always considered it an original album but the record company apparently does not since it has never been given an official CD release date
Mikey
Sep 27, '11, 4:10 PM
I always considered it an original album but the record company apparently does not since it has never been given an official CD release date
Me too
Thought the same thing but was wondering if I was alone.
Nostalgiabuff
Sep 27, '11, 4:20 PM
it has been released overseas on CD....but it is usually a double disc with Abbey road....and costs a bit.
Mikey
Sep 27, '11, 4:22 PM
But those releases are only bootlegs from Russia, right ?
I can't image it ever having an official release in any country
Blue Meanie
Sep 27, '11, 7:07 PM
But those releases are only bootlegs from Russia, right ?
I can't image it ever having an official release in any country
Yep those are the Russian Boots. No official release has ever been made of Hey Jude (The Beatles Again). Hence it's being offered on ioffer:
The Beatles Abbey Road/Hey Jude IMPORT 2 in 1 CD RARE For Sale (http://www.ioffer.com/i/the-beatles-abbey-road-hey-jude-import-2-in-1-cd-rare-193024204)
SeattleEd
Sep 27, '11, 7:12 PM
I view it as a comp release. Not an album. Just another way for Allen Klein to make more money for the boys.
The album art is great.
Great tracklisting and certainly a good way to listen to material from Past Masters.
But at this day and age of digital files, you can pretty much make your own Hey Jude playlist since you can get the stereo versions of the tracks now. So I don't think they'll ever release it on CD.
kingdom warrior
Sep 27, '11, 7:20 PM
Original Compilation LP...... weren't all the songs either singles or B-sides? no matter it was one of my favs and I always loved the cover to it......
cjefferys
Sep 27, '11, 7:51 PM
Original Compilation LP...... weren't all the songs either singles or B-sides? no matter it was one of my favs and I always loved the cover to it......
Yep, I see it as a compilation album too, but what a great one it is! The only Capitol release that ended up being considered a part of official Beatles canon, and therefore remain in print, was Magical Mystery Tour. All the songs from Hey Jude were non-album singles/B-sides except for two that also appeared on A Hard Days Night. And yeah that's a great cover, I love the photos from that session, their very last together.
kingdom warrior
Sep 27, '11, 7:57 PM
Yep, I see it as a compilation album too, but what a great one it is! The only Capitol release that ended up being considered a part of official Beatles canon, and therefore remain in print, was Magical Mystery Tour. All the songs from Hey Jude were non-album singles/B-sides except for two from A Hard Days Night (but that LP was released by United Artists in the US, which is probably why Capitol decided to add them here). And yeah that's a great cover, I love the photos from that session, their very last together.
Yeah man I recently was looking at all the photos from those sessions i have to say those are my Favs.....you can see how they had matured and were now ready to move on.....
MIB41
Sep 27, '11, 10:56 PM
This was something Allen Klein compiled without any involvement from Capital Records. It should also be noted the album actually received some early printings entitled "The Beatles Again" before being switched to "Hey Jude" to ride off the success of the hit single. It may have sounded like a new album to those in the states, but it was essentially just b-side songs never released on any Beatles records stateside. In many ways it could be considered the first compilation record since, technically it was. But it wasn't promoted as such. From the band perspective, the last collaborative record designed and packaged by the group was Abbey Road. As most already know "Let it be" were songs all recorded prior to Abbey Road when the band unwittingly decided to allow their creative process to be filmed as they made a new record. Obviously that didn't work out well and the band broke up, never intending for any of that music to be heard. It was George Martin who went back in and produced those songs and released them. The Beatles really played no role on that album either.
cjefferys
Sep 28, '11, 6:24 AM
Actually it was Phil Spector who produced and compiled Let It Be, but yeah, the Beatles had practically disowned the material by that point. Speaking of which, I really wish that Apple would finally release "Let It Be" on DVD and Blu-ray. Apparently, according to rumours, it won't happen while Paul and Ringo are still alive, which is too bad, because I think its a fascinating film.
MIB41
Sep 28, '11, 6:31 AM
Actually it was Phil Spector who produced and compiled Let It Be, but yeah, the Beatles had practically disowned the material by that point. Speaking of which, I really wish that Apple would finally release "Let It Be" on DVD and Blu-ray. Apparently, according to rumours, it won't happen while Paul and Ringo are still alive, which is too bad, because I think its a fascinating film.
Interesting. I didn't know Paul and Ringo had issues with 'Let it be' getting released on DVD. Have they mentioned them publicly or is this speculation from collectors?
david_b
Sep 28, '11, 7:30 AM
Yep, that's the weird thing.. Ringo has said repeatedly that he doesn't want it released because he didn't want the Beatles image besmirched, showing the group in a bad light, and 'have bad karma released'..
Which of course makes no sense.. I mean, how can a new DVD release of a Beatles movie hurt their legend now..?? It can be marketed as a serious study of a band, near their end.
I believe that 'Beatle Image' is certainly mighty enough to weather a serious movie like this..
As for the fans.., we're stuck with a shotty-quality movie, which is a unique look into their situation early '69. Many have said it was edited down to focus more on McCartney, eliminating some good Lennon humor which was filmed. I do understand that both John and Yoko were on a steady diet of 'heroin, TV and sex' at that point, especially after her miscarriage.
As for 'Hey Jude', that is an interesting comment regarding Klein and Capitol, MIB41. You're right, there are quite a lot of legal layers to tend with material released near the end. I didn't even think that the 'Hey Jude' album wouldn't be released under the Capitol reissues, but it makes a lot of sense.
MIB41
Sep 28, '11, 8:02 AM
Yep, that's the weird thing.. Ringo has said repeatedly that he doesn't want it released because he didn't want the Beatles image besmirched, showing the group in a bad light, and 'have bad karma released'..
Which of course makes no sense.. I mean, how can a new DVD release of a Beatles movie hurt their legend now..?? It can be marketed as a serious study of a band, near their end.
I believe that 'Beatle Image' is certainly mighty enough to weather a serious movie like this..
Agreed. If anything it would only enhance their image from my perspective. Showing that kind of creativity in the midst of conflict, really underscores their talent. Besides, Beatles fans mostly know about it anyway and have a copy on VHS. So it's not like it's a SECRET Ringo! :please_y:
kingdom warrior
Sep 28, '11, 8:04 AM
Actually it was Phil Spector who produced and compiled Let It Be, but yeah, the Beatles had practically disowned the material by that point. Speaking of which, I really wish that Apple would finally release "Let It Be" on DVD and Blu-ray. Apparently, according to rumours, it won't happen while Paul and Ringo are still alive, which is too bad, because I think its a fascinating film.
I always liked the concept that they wanted to play new material in front of an audience. I just thought they went about it the wrong way. It would have been nice if it would have been for a television special in which they played the new material to a live audience much like the way like Elvis's comeback special and in later years MTV unplugged.
By the way I love Let it Be Naked without all that Phil Spector crap wall of sound......
kingdom warrior
Sep 28, '11, 8:07 AM
Interesting. I didn't know Paul and Ringo had issues with 'Let it be' getting released on DVD. Have they mentioned them publicly or is this speculation from collectors?
I think the crap they did in Hamburg in the early 60's was far worse than Paul and George *****ing to each other.......:smiley1:
WannabeMego
Sep 28, '11, 8:18 AM
Being a Beatles Fan (primarily through association...Meanie's my Brother), my feeling has always been that the hardcore fans always have a lackluster response to releases because they know there is more out there. They've read about it in books, interviews, documentaries...they know that at least George & Paul have a HUGE stockpile of Demo's and unreleased session takes.
I'll let Berto speak for himself, but it always feels like when they officially release something "it could be better if they..." did this or that.
Thank God for Bootlegs: The Beatles Bootleg Recordings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_bootleg_recordings)
stevenlore
Sep 28, '11, 8:58 AM
Concerning the film, Let ItBe....Back in the early 2000's a DVD was compiled with lots of commentary and extra footage. Apple is just sitting on it....but there have been some nice fan made upgrades of the film out there if you know where to look...
As for the Hamburg recordings...there is a great upgrade made by a fan that makes it at least listenable. It really shows what a great band The Beatles were pre-fame.
Oh, and Hey Jude...just a compilation album...but a great one at that.
david_b
Sep 28, '11, 11:45 AM
I always liked the concept that they wanted to play new material in front of an audience. I just thought they went about it the wrong way. It would have been nice if it would have been for a television special in which they played the new material to a live audience much like the way like Elvis's comeback special and in later years MTV unplugged.
I'd agree.., this would also have worked well for a Wilburys concert.. I know Tom was SO ENTHUSIASTIC about doing a tour, George said no. I always wondered why they just didn't to a staged one-night show, for a major cable network, like the Carl Perkins Showtime gig a few years earlier with George, Ringo, Eric, you name it...
It would have satisfied a lot of fans, made a few million, plus make it easy for George just to return home that night, instead of (how he whined) being woken up at some hotel in Cleveland, 2 in the afternoon to do some Wilburys soundcheck..
Mikey
Sep 28, '11, 11:54 AM
The way I understand it George was not as quiet and easy going as people were lead to believe.
After the break-up of the Beatles he became a bit of a prima donna -- way worse than McCartney or Lennon ever was.
cjefferys
Sep 28, '11, 12:37 PM
Concerning the film, Let ItBe....Back in the early 2000's a DVD was compiled with lots of commentary and extra footage. Apple is just sitting on it....but there have been some nice fan made upgrades of the film out there if you know where to look...
Yeah, the footage was restored and a DVD release came really close to happening. You can see how nice the footage looks in the clips shown in the Beatles Anthology. They wipe the floor with my crappy laserdisc transfer, which has tons of problems.
At one point, a TV special was considered, as was a one off concert in some exotic place to be filmed for the movie. No one could ever agree on anything (which was a common thing for the Beatles at that point) so the concert on Apple's roof was just thrown together without much effort. They realized they had to do something and just chose the easiest way, which wouldn't take a lot of planning or work.
SeattleEd
Sep 28, '11, 1:38 PM
Yeah, the footage was restored and a DVD release came really close to happening. You can see how nice the footage looks in the clips shown in the Beatles Anthology. They wipe the floor with my crappy laserdisc transfer, which has tons of problems.
At one point, a TV special was considered, as was a one off concert in some exotic place to be filmed for the movie. No one could ever agree on anything (which was a common thing for the Beatles at that point) so the concert on Apple's roof was just thrown together without much effort. They realized they had to do something and just chose the easiest way, which wouldn't take a lot of planning or work.
You beat me to it! :)
I was going to add that here at work we have the music videos for Get Back and Don't Let Me Down. Really nice quality too.
There was an article that came stating that Apple was going to release it the year after the Anthology DVD's came out. No such luck.
I will always favor the Get Back album but really love the quality on Let It Be...Naked.
stevenlore
Sep 28, '11, 8:26 PM
Thank God for Bootlegs: The Beatles Bootleg Recordings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_bootleg_recordings)
You can say that again.
MIB41
Sep 29, '11, 7:59 AM
I'm curious if it's truly a "image" issue as Ringo suggests or if it's a copyright problem, since the Jackson camp stole those rights from McCartney years ago. I always think that plays a role in what gets released these days. I think that actually had a lot to do with why McCartney released 'Let it Be Naked'. Because the Jackson camp was collecting royalties on the actual 'Let it be' album. Food for thought.
stevenlore
Sep 29, '11, 9:42 AM
I doubt it has to do with Jackson nor is it image. I believe its money. From Love to the remasters to Rockband to releaseing One again, the "Beatles" just want to make money and they think by being "hip" the general public would go after that. Let's face it, "Let It Be" is not a great film and the general public won't be that interested in it. Same goes for "Live at the Hollywood Bowl". And for unreleased stuff....Shea Stadium may look nice, but neither the rerecordings nor the actual soundtrack are that great. But I would buy it. And who, but Beatles fans, would want to hear the 10+ minute Revolution 1 (which I think sounds great!), or the 27 minute Helter Skelter or Carnival of Light?
I believe some of this will come out in a couple of years as bonus material when Apple releases the albums again as Remixes.
Mikey
Sep 29, '11, 9:48 AM
I remember back in the mid 80's ordering a Beatles VHS off the TV.
I forgot what it was called but it was a 20 minute tape of the Beatles lip-syncing to a few songs including Shout on a TV show.
The tape is long gone today but I still wonder if it was actually legit
SeattleEd
Sep 29, '11, 12:59 PM
I doubt it has to do with Jackson nor is it image. I believe its money. From Love to the remasters to Rockband to releaseing One again, the "Beatles" just want to make money and they think by being "hip" the general public would go after that. Let's face it, "Let It Be" is not a great film and the general public won't be that interested in it. Same goes for "Live at the Hollywood Bowl". And for unreleased stuff....Shea Stadium may look nice, but neither the rerecordings nor the actual soundtrack are that great. But I would buy it. And who, but Beatles fans, would want to hear the 10+ minute Revolution 1 (which I think sounds great!), or the 27 minute Helter Skelter or Carnival of Light?
I believe some of this will come out in a couple of years as bonus material when Apple releases the albums again as Remixes.
Agreed. It's mostly for hardcore fans and not the mass population but you never know with the next generation from a historical perspective but I don't see the numbers there.
To me it's a very depressing movie to watch and no amount of editing could save it. The rooftop performance is great but listening to the complete performance sure is sad for me.
I'm one wants to the hear the unreleased material just for kicks and like the Revolution 1 (Take 20) it's good for a single listen but that's it. There is a reason why they released the versions they did.
I heard the Helter Skelter take 1 and 2 just are jam performances that break down half way. Not much interesting. But I still want to hear them.
kingdom warrior
Sep 29, '11, 1:13 PM
I remember back in the mid 80's ordering a Beatles VHS off the TV.
I forgot what it was called but it was a 20 minute tape of the Beatles lip-syncing to a few songs including Shout on a TV show.
The tape is long gone today but I still wonder if it was actually legit
Yeah it was legit that was from Ready Steady Go I still have the Tape I think It was released by Dave Clark from the Dave Clark 5......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5h4T_kfBcg
Mikey
Sep 29, '11, 1:15 PM
Yep, that was it :)
MIB41
Sep 29, '11, 1:28 PM
I personally enjoyed watching 'Let it be'. I felt most of it was pretty unscripted and that gave alot of insight into why the band was breaking up. Personally I think people have always made too much of that break up. Regardless of their fame and talent, they were still fairly young in the midst of all that. And, like most of us at those ages, your going to evolve and move on to other things. They were all getting married and taking that next step. The Beatles were a kind of 'boys only' club, and that didn't work with band members getting hitched. But it's not like it was Yoko's fault. Her coming to the studio may have pushed things a but quicker. But it was going to happen whether she was in the picture or not. When a band as big as the Beatles breaks up, people want a villain. So they invented one. But what really broke up the Beatles? Life. They were growing up and wanting to be on their own...period.
Mikey
Sep 29, '11, 1:34 PM
Personally, I think if it was left up to John the Beatles would have never broken up.
They would have quietly just stopped working together until they decided to do something again.... Almost like 80's-90's era Pink Floyd.
SeattleEd
Sep 29, '11, 1:43 PM
Personally, I think if it was left up to John the Beatles would have never broken up.
They would have quietly just stopped working together until they decided to do something again.... Almost like 80's-90's era Pink Floyd.
I agree. Management should have backed off and let them do their own thing. I realize Epstein was looking out for their best interest but Klein was in it for all the money.
A hiatus for the boys would have seem healthy for them and even post Beatles they still played together and hung out.
kingdom warrior
Sep 29, '11, 1:54 PM
Personally, I think if it was left up to John the Beatles would have never broken up.
They would have quietly just stopped working together until they decided to do something again.... Almost like 80's-90's era Pink Floyd.
The problem with that is Paul, the showman of the group liked to write and perform. John clearly didn't like that part. Also waiting on the others was not Paul's thing. Plus in all honesty those get back sessions are pretty crappy with a few gems.....Abbey Road was way better and they tried harder to keep it together for that LP.....
Mikey
Sep 29, '11, 3:02 PM
I think they shouldn't have broke up,
Just quietly stopped doing anything
Paul can even form his band Wings and do his own thing ...
But, the Beatles would be still on the backburner for an occassional album or even tour.
In a way, the Beatles would become The Traveling Wilburys
kingdom warrior
Sep 29, '11, 3:26 PM
I think they shouldn't have broke up,
Just quietly stopped doing anything
Paul can even form his band Wings and do his own thing ...
But, the Beatles would be still on the backburner for an occassional album or even tour.
In a way, the Beatles would become The Traveling Wilburys
I think that was Paul Just giving John the big F U at the time......they were blaming each other for all kinds of petty BS by then....sure cooler heads prevailed later because they were away from each other but John and Paul had huge egos and George no longer wanted to live in their shadows and Ring....well Ringo Just wanted to stay employed.....:smiley1:
MIB41
Sep 29, '11, 3:29 PM
The Beatles were simply too big to be left off to the side. That's one thing I vividly remember about the early 70's - Rumors would abound all the time on television, that the Beatles 'might be' performing at a big event. So they would carry the event, whatever it might be, just in case it happened. This was well before the communication age. So there was plenty of disinformation constantly floating about. And the media would make a big deal about it. Of course this was back in the day too when if a program was preempted and there wasn't sufficient time left to play the original show without screwing up the whole evening, local programming would put on something like Ultraman (during prime time) just to get you to the top of the hour. :smiley1: We live in such an entirely different era today. Information is so quickly processed, it's impossible to keep up with everything. Today's generation has no idea just how big they really were. In many ways, it's probably a good thing they did breakup. They were around just long enough to grow the reputation they did. At one point the Monkees were actually outselling both them and the Rolling Stones. So it's hard to fathom what might have happened had they tried to stay together and make it work.
You have to remember glam rock and disco became all the rage in the 70's. The Beatles were well known for incorporating current trends to enhance their tunes. Imagine a disco song from the Beatles? :please_y: Yeah, I think they did the right thing by breaking up. It keeps their sense of musical "royalty"and timelessness in place.
kingdom warrior
Sep 29, '11, 4:03 PM
You have to remember glam rock and disco became all the rage in the 70's. The Beatles were well known for incorporating current trends to enhance their tunes. Imagine a disco song from the Beatles? :please_y: Yeah, I think they did the right thing by breaking up. It keeps their sense of musical "royalty"and timelessness in place.
Glam and Disco were short lived quick Fads from the 70's. Rock and Roll was the norm....I seriously doubt they would have moved towards that especially because it never showed up in their Solo work.....
What they missed was a chance for them to do better live work and people actually sitting and listening instead of little girls screaming......
Nostalgiabuff
Sep 29, '11, 4:11 PM
I think John was done with the whole Beatles thing. it was really Paul who kept trying to keep it together. John even said it was Paul who needed the Beatles. it was Paul who was so lost after their breakup. I agree a break from each other would have been beneficial but then all the lawsuits started and those did not get resolved until the late eighties so there would have been no reunion until that point. they were starting to talk again the year John was killed so I do believe they were on the road to a reunion but sadly it was not to be.
I will also say, that not having seen them all together again until they did the Anthology series, they looked very odd together as old men, since we had not seen them together since they were in their 20's.
I also think, that had they stayed together and continued putting out albums and maybe even occasional tours, that they would have become somewhat characatures of themselves, like the Stones and the Who have done. yeah the tours still make money but noone cares about their newer music. it has no relevance anymore
kingdom warrior
Sep 29, '11, 4:26 PM
I also think, that had they stayed together and continued putting out albums and maybe even occasional tours, that they would have become somewhat characatures of themselves, like the Stones and the Who have done. yeah the tours still make money but noone cares about their newer music. it has no relevance anymore
Great point.... the Greatest Elvis Impersonator was Elvis himself at the very end he was nowhere near his former glory and it was sad to see the bloated mess he had become.......and I'm a huge Elvis Fan but it's hard to look at him at the end.
MIB41
Sep 29, '11, 5:03 PM
Glam and Disco were short lived quick Fads from the 70's. Rock and Roll was the norm....I seriously doubt they would have moved towards that especially because it never showed up in their Solo work.....
What they missed was a chance for them to do better live work and people actually sitting and listening instead of little girls screaming......
I have to differ on that statement...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRCgueckAXE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6y4uY1WvTA
Mikey
Sep 29, '11, 5:06 PM
This talk reminds of the book Paperback Writer
Anybody ever read it ?
The Beatles have a reunion in 76 when Frampton is the new king
kingdom warrior
Sep 29, '11, 5:14 PM
I have to differ on that statement...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRCgueckAXE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6y4uY1WvTA
:smiley1: it has a good beat and you can dance to it......:grin: I just don't think of Paul's stuff as disco......:smiley1:
Ringo looks like an idiot in that video.....:smiley1:
John Looks cool though :grin:
Blue Meanie
Sep 29, '11, 6:22 PM
The reason for Let It Be not being released is the fact that McCartney doesn't want it released. It's that simple. He doesn't want people associating/blaming him with the breakup of the Beatles. I've sat through this movie about 5 times, been upgrading my copies over the years from VHS to Selectavision to Laserdisc, and the one scene you need to look at is when George is talking back to Macca during one of the rehearsals... "I'll play what you want or I won't play at all" and Paul says to George "I'm not out to get you...but you seem to think I am and I'm not" (Paraphrasing) Tensions had gotten so high during the rehearsals that it's just an unbearable movie to watch. The ONLY good thing about Let It Be is the Rooftop concert. They are having a blast...not only did they tick off THE MAN by doing the show in the middle of a work day...but they stopped traffic. You could see that they were enjoying it. If they do nothing else with the movie...just give me that Rooftop Concert in its entirety. I think they did Get Back 3 times. The shame of Anthology is that they gave you a tease of a BEAUTIFUL widescreen cleaned up print of Rooftop performance.
BTW, McCartney is the biggest control freak there is...don't be fooled by his "Show" face when he is being interviewed. My biggest complaint about Wingspan is that you don't see any members of Wings...Not even Denny Laine...being interviewed or asked about his experience in the groups multiple lineups. That right there shows you that Paul wants people to see his side of the picture. That's why you won't see a Let It Be release. Again, just give me the Rooftop show and I'll be happy.
Nostalgiabuff
Sep 29, '11, 7:19 PM
Wingspan was a total McCartney production. since he is not on speaking terms with any of the former Wings members there is no way he would include them in any part of it. yes he is a total control freak and totally controls his public image. which is why you never, ever get any dirt from him. he learned a long time ago not to reveal anything to the media.
I am not so sure he is the only one blocking Let it Be from being released. that scene meanie just mentioned is on the Anthology series so anyone could see how high tensions were running
WannabeMego
Sep 29, '11, 7:54 PM
...the one scene you need to look at is when George is talking back to Macca during one of the rehearsals... "I'll play what you want or I won't play at all" and Paul says to George "I'm not out to get you...but you seem to think I am and I'm not" (Paraphrasing) Tensions had gotten so high during the rehearsals that it's just an unbearable movie to watch.
Is this it:
Paul McCartney / George Harrison MASSIVE ARGUMENT 1969 (http://youtu.be/iUzwOytexIU)
or this:
OK, man !!! (http://youtu.be/aGuH7Zxbr84)
:firedevil:
Blue Meanie
Sep 29, '11, 8:41 PM
Is this it:
Paul McCartney / George Harrison MASSIVE ARGUMENT 1969 (http://youtu.be/iUzwOytexIU)
or this:
OK, man !!! (http://youtu.be/aGuH7Zxbr84)
:firedevil:
That first link was just soooooooo wrong Tom. It is the second clip...but it is a lot longer than 13 seconds.
MIB41
Sep 30, '11, 6:36 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Wings have just as many hits as the Beatles? I remember reading that somewhere.
kingdom warrior
Sep 30, '11, 9:28 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Wings have just as many hits as the Beatles? I remember reading that somewhere.
No but they had a good run...in America all 23 singles charted top 40 and they had 6#1's in America......not sure the full number worldwide
Beatles had 20# 1's in America.....
MIB41
Sep 30, '11, 11:03 AM
No but they had a good run...in America all 23 singles charted top 40 and they had 6#1's in America......not sure the full number worldwide
Beatles had 20# 1's in America.....
Thanks! That certainly speaks well to McCartney's musical composing skills. I think the solo careers of each member clearly showed their contributions to the Beatles. McCartney had a great knack for creating excellent hooks, while Lennon buried everyone in lyrical composition. Ringo and Harrison were the spice to that chemistry made it pop.
Mikey
Sep 30, '11, 11:07 AM
Comparing Beatles with Wings
Beatles had tons of hits, semi-hits and popular songs
Wings either had mega hits or nothing
kingdom warrior
Sep 30, '11, 11:17 AM
BTW, McCartney is the biggest control freak there is...don't be fooled by his "Show" face when he is being interviewed. My biggest complaint about Wingspan is that you don't see any members of Wings...Not even Denny Laine...being interviewed or asked about his experience in the groups multiple lineups. That right there shows you that Paul wants people to see his side of the picture. That's why you won't see a Let It Be release. Again, just give me the Rooftop show and I'll be happy.
I think that's just his old school entertainer sell the image/product. As You know he was willing to dump the other 3 early on to get ahead. Paul envisioned himself as an entertainer with or without the Beatles and may have had a good solo career had the Beatles failed. He had the boy next door good looks and was already developing into a a good songwriter.
Plus i don't blame him after John was misquoted with the Whole Bigger than Jesus and Telling people he smoked pot I'm sure he put a lid on everything. I Don't really blame him. He knows he's a product that has to sell, he knows where he stands in Rock history......I would be the same way.
kingdom warrior
Sep 30, '11, 11:19 AM
Thanks! That certainly speaks well to McCartney's musical composing skills. I think the solo careers of each member clearly showed their contributions to the Beatles. McCartney had a great knack for creating excellent hooks, while Lennon buried everyone in lyrical composition. Ringo and Harrison were the spice to that chemistry made it pop.
I think what's cool about seeing them separate was seeing how individual they really were. When you mixed them together they created magic....
kingdom warrior
Sep 30, '11, 11:19 AM
Comparing Beatles with Wings
Beatles had tons of hits, semi-hits and popular songs
Wings either had mega hits or nothing
That's so True with Wings you either really like the song or you go damn that sucks.....:smiley1:
Nostalgiabuff
Oct 1, '11, 7:43 AM
yeah but Wings really had some great songs.
Plus i don't blame him after John was misquoted with the Whole Bigger than Jesus and Telling people he smoked pot I'm sure he put a lid on everything. I Don't really blame him. He knows he's a product that has to sell, he knows where he stands in Rock history......I would be the same way.
don't forget the whole fiasco when Paul admitted to taking LSD to a reporter and the trouble that caused him
kingdom warrior
Oct 1, '11, 9:59 AM
yeah but Wings really had some great songs.
don't forget the whole fiasco when Paul admitted to taking LSD to a reporter and the trouble that caused him
Yeah and the media blew it all up you could see in his face when he was interviewed how he detested even talking about it......he had this I will never ever be that open again look
Nostalgiabuff
Oct 1, '11, 10:27 AM
exactly, which is why he is always so reserved now when talking publicly
kingdom warrior
Oct 1, '11, 10:39 AM
exactly, which is why he is always so reserved now when talking publicly
Totally you can see how careful he is in interviews.....I think the worse was after Lennon's death when they stuck a camera in his face and was asked to react...you could still see he was still in shock and many took it as he was being insensitive....when George had died you could see he was more careful how he answered......
Nostalgiabuff
Oct 1, '11, 2:40 PM
when George died he was able to come s/w the media on his own terms as they were all sitting outside his estate....you could also see the raw emotion in his face and hear it in his voice
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