New Hawkman comic

[johnnystorm]

From Bleeding Cool:

'HawkWatch: Tony Daniel on Savage Hawkman:

“The first thing that I wanted to get rid of is the reincarnation factor, the Egyptian thing and the tragedy of him and Hawkgirl. All that stuff. A lot of convolution there. Is that a word or did I just coin a phrase?”


huh. :no:

[The Toyroom]

1. I don't consider Tony Daniel a writer
2. The reincarnation factor was the coolest thing about all of the Hawkman versions post-Crisis
3. If there is no reincarnation factor then this better be Katar Hol from Thangar...

[aquatroy]

Agreed! Johns played that up perfectly. Not only does it add a brilliant romantic quality to the character, but it also provides opportunities for "past lives" stories. I loved that characters like Silent Knight were made part of the Hawkman mythos.

[The Toyroom]

Yeah Johns (and Robinson, don't forget him) built upon DC continuity perfectly with the past lives thing...

But apparently no one else since then has been able to do the same...Remember Jim Starlin's weird reboot one-shot from a few years back? DC's solution yet again is to scrap something good just because they don't have the writers stable to pull it off. Johns bent over backward to make Hawkman cool again, it worked, and once he was off the book it was a constant scramble to maintain the series. Heck, it actually became "HawkGIRL"!

[samurainoir]

Let's hope DC is doing Earth 2 with Carter Hall and keeping all the reincarnation material with Robinson on a JSA title.

[The Toyroom]

^ Yeah but characters from the past lives like Silent Knight and Nighthawk and Cinnamon and Gentleman Ghost have traditionally been "Earth-1" characters....That could open up a whole new can of worms if they really want to go down that path....

[MEMEGO]

I Said It Once, I Shall Say It Again.
This Crap Will Blow Up In Their Face.
Dc Has Ruined Their Heroes.
Sad, Indeed.

[Earth 2 Chris]

Robinson and Johns did very well with the reincarnated Carter Hall. It was a great book with Rags Morales on art. But man, DC squandered it so quickly.

In all the various reboots in the last 2 decades, no one has ever brought back the original Katar Hol space cop. Which is weird, as that is the version most folks were acquainted with.

Chris

[samurainoir]

I always wished that Justice League Unlimited had a chance to continue a little longer just because they had just introduced Carter Hall, and it turned out to be a brilliant compromise between the Thanagerian mythology already built up on the show via Hawkgirl, and the new reincarnation stuff that was currently being explored in the comics.

Again, in the latest incarnation of the Hawks, I think they ran into that trouble of trying too hard to retrofit the continuity rather than just ignore it. There was absolutely no reason for example to reintroduce the Hawkworld version of Shayera or "Carter Hall Jr" into the series... which I think was pretty much the Shark Jump point of that downward spiral.

[thunderbolt]

Toony Daniel really shouldn't talk, he sounds like an idiot.

[The Bat]

Not a big Hawkman fan, but I started to like him because of Smallville. And Smallville even used the reincarnation story as part of Hawkman's history.

[Cosmicman]

Let's hope DC is doing Earth 2 with Carter Hall and keeping all the reincarnation material with Robinson on a JSA title.

I think that's why they haven't mentioned the JSA because possibly they are all going back to Earth 2 and being pulled from the rebooted universe.
So you'll being seeing this stuff in the future.

I also believe that if this little "reboot" doesn't do worth a **** that they will pull the Marvel trick and say, "oh it's another Earth" and give you a choice to pick between this new Earth (the rebooted Earth) or the regular DC universe.
I would almost bet money this is what DC is doing now that they have all these 52 Earths to cop-out.

[thunderbolt]

Not a big Hawkman fan, but I started to like him because of Smallville. And Smallville even used the reincarnation story as part of Hawkman's history.

So if the Smallville audience could handle the concept, comic book peeps should be able to. Its probably more like Dan Didio and Tony Daniel didn't understand it.

[samurainoir]

Given the new 52 being converted back to the Silver Age incarnations for the most part, I hope that The Savage Hawkman will most likely be Thanagerian space cop Katar Hol with a tweaked origin.

Looks like they are going "Evil Doppleganger" approach with this new villain. Not quite Man-Hawk is he? Hawk-Venom?
http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/2/0/20442_400x600.jpg
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arter Hall's skill at deciphering lost languages has led him to a job with an archaeologist who specializes in alien ruins – but will the doctor's latest discovery spread an alien plague through New York City? No matter the personal cost, Carter Hall must don his wings and become the new, savage Hawkman to survive!


When the alien creature known as Morphicius starts draining the life force from Carter Hall, a.k.a. Hawkman, he learns that there's more to his new victim than meets the eye. The mysterious properties of the Nth Metal protect Hawkman – but in the process, they are also making Morphicius powerful! With innocent lives in the balance, can Hawkman turn the table on his enemy, or are Morphicius newfound powers too powerful to stop?


Using his unique gift for deciphering alien symbols, Carter Hall learns the secets knowledge of his new foe, Morphicius, even as his deadly power continues to grow! Unraveling this mystery is Hawkman's only chance to defeat Morphicius before he becomes unstoppable.

[samurainoir]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n9QD7XAx9Vs/TlP9K4jfQ5I/AAAAAAAABYs/EyAzgOZ2RXQ/s1600/hawkman-1-interior-747451.jpg

[The Bat]

So if the Smallville audience could handle the concept, comic book peeps should be able to. Its probably more like Dan Didio and Tony Daniel didn't understand it.

Agreed.:yes:

[The Toyroom]

That costume is horrible....looks like more Total Justice Fractal Gear was on sale :muh:

[EMCE Hammer]

Has it ever been clearer that our demographic is in the rear view mirror as far as DC is concerned? The few good things could be better, and the rest are *******ized. The day of the 43yr old fanman has passed.

[The Toyroom]

Has it ever been clearer that our demographic is in the rear view mirror as far as DC is concerned? The few good things could be better, and the rest are *******ized. The day of the 43yr old fanman has passed.


Then I guess at the age of 44 I'm really screwed :smiley1:

[EMCE Hammer]

It sure doesn't feel like any of this is intended for my viewing pleasure:ugh_y:

[ctc]

>The day of the 43yr old fanman has passed.

But.... is that a BAD thing? Well.... it is for the 43 year old fans, but DC boned themselves back in the 80's by catering more and more to the "comic shop crowd;" the people who became the 43yr old fanman. (That is such an AWESOME phrase!) They turned their back on any potential new audience.... that is, kids and casual readers.... and now they reap the results. Those kids who WOULD have been superhero fans found other comics to read, (no, it wasn't video games and cell phones.... it was all those comics you see selling on newsstands, bookstores, and NOT comic shops) skipping the supers entirely. DC NEEDS to turn it's back on the 40 year old fans if they're gonna thrive.

The mistake I think they're making is that they're half-assin' it; they're trying to make things "new" without cheesing off the oldsters. So you end up with really stupid patchwork versions of everything, none of it makes any sense, none of it would hook someone unfamiliar with the characters already, and most of it jerks around whatever continuity they HAD establiashed for the last year. And next year, it all starts again with the NEXT big reboot.

Don C.

[madmarva]

Yeah, Johns/Goyer really did some heavy lifting in JSA to make something out of all the crap that stuck to the Hawks talons after Crisis.

Johns/Robinson series was well done, but as others pointed out, other writers had problems doing anything with that concept that wasn't repetitious.

I would kind of like to see a Thangarian Hawkman without the Earth 2 trappings to see if someone can do anything with the concept. Or maybe, DC will go in a totally different direction.

Daniel's writing on Batman has been serviceable and improved greatly since battle of the cowl, but by no means does him being the writer on the book doesn't excite me. Like all the other Hawkman series, I'm sure this one will fade away rather quickly. I only hope that DC sets up a Hawkman character worthy enough to be used in the Justice League or another team book or as a guest star.

[thunderbolt]

If this doesn't appeal to our generation, I honestly don't see who it does appeal to. Kids aren't going to find much of interest here, the 20 year olds have for the most part grown up without comics so I really don't see them jumping on the bandwagon either.

[ctc]

>the 20 year olds have for the most part grown up without comics so I really don't see them jumping on the bandwagon either.

Well.... the 20 year olds DID grow up with comics.... LOTS of 'em.... (do I hafta mention 40+ volumes of "Prince of Tennis" AGAIN?) but they're way different from these. That's what I was getting at earlier: DC let an entire generation of readers pass them by. And you're right: this sort of thing won't matter to them. Folks who are used to a comic with a developing continuity, where characters actually change, dead = dead, the authors don't change every few months, and since the entire run is readily available the past doesn't just disappear when it's no longer convenient are NOT gonna get into these books. The dominant template for "viable comic book" changed, and DC hasn't noticed; instead relying on the ol' (and I mean OLD) "all new! all different!" schtick. I think that's the reason behind the endless reboots. Hell; haven't they ALREADY done the big "52" reboot? They're recycling ideas so fast they're lapping themselves....

Don C.

[samurainoir]

> They're recycling ideas so fast they're lapping themselves....
.

That metaphor pretty much sums it up perfectly.

It amounts to a relay race with Calvin Ball rules. Green Lantern and Batman are 5 laps ahead and told to keep running, Superman is told to simultaneously run in the opposite direction backwards while keeping up alongside Batman, and others like Green Arrow or Hawkman are randomly pulled from the track and told to start over or to skip every other lap, while folks like John Constantine and Frankenstein, competing in long jump and shot put are instructed to enter the field and avoid collisions.

[thunderbolt]

Prince of Tennis? :rotfl:

[Figuremod73]

its to the point were there needs to be a new company with a new crop of superheroes... i dont even wont to see what Lee and company are doing to them, i'll just read the reprints from the silver and bronze age and be content :yes:

[The Toyroom]

That metaphor pretty much sums it up perfectly.

It amounts to a relay race with Calvin Ball rules. Green Lantern and Batman are 5 laps ahead and told to keep running, Superman is told to simultaneously run in the opposite direction backwards while keeping up alongside Batman, and others like Green Arrow or Hawkman are randomly pulled from the track and told to start over or to skip every other lap, while folks like John Constantine and Frankenstein, competing in long jump and shot put are instructed to enter the field and avoid collisions.

Oh, that's classic!

[Random Axe]

I feel like the only comic fan who couldn't care less about anything to do with Hawkman. I've never liked him as a character and I can't see anything DC does in the future to change that. He's never, in any capacity, appealed to me in any way.

The only time I found myself buying a Hawkman title was the Jan Duursema reboot with the foil cover and the black uniform. I think the only reason I got it was for her art and cause I think she's hot. MMMMM, redheads.

While I don't see the value of Hawkman, I know the majority does. I just find it difficult to believe they are starting another series while Shazam, Secret Six and Booster Gold are cast aside.

[johnmiic]

Agreed! Johns played that up perfectly. Not only does it add a brilliant romantic quality to the character, but it also provides opportunities for "past lives" stories.

What issues do you recommend? #1 to...? Or have they been collected?

[The Bat]

I just find it difficult to believe they are starting another series while Shazam and Booster Gold are cast aside.

Shazam and Booster Gold SHOULD be cast aside.:grin::smiley1::smiley1:

[The Toyroom]

DC doesn't know what to do with the Shazam concept anymore...However Booster Gold was a solid read since his relaunch, with the exception of issues by Giffen and DeMatteis...

[samurainoir]

Booster does appear to be central to Justice League International, with his creator Dan Jurgans at the helm, so I don't quite think he's really cast aside like Donna Troy for example. Sad as it is to say, Ted Kord catching the Skull bullet was probably the best thing to happen to the character of Booster given how his popularity has skyrocketed since then. He's pretty much been an ongoing presence in many of the non-lantern centric crossover events ever since. He's also been a monthly headliner in 52, his own title, generation lost, not to mention his appearances in Brave and Bold and Smallville.

I think it's safe to say that Booster is a character that DC wants to keep pushing.


Was anyone reading our own Mego Milk's SHAZAM series? I hope it comes back to Johnny DC in some form or another.

[Cosmicman]

I'm a big Hawkman fan and I have to at least check this out before I pass on it. I don't think any of the reboot stuff is going to be worth a ****.